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Post by svart on Dec 11, 2014 15:54:44 GMT -6
In the near future I might be in the market for a pair of nice speakers for my home stereo/mix proofing location. I'm not sure if I want to go with something older but higher end, or something newer and more in the mid-range area.
If you have any ideas or opinions, let me know. Otherwise we can discuss speakers in general.
I don't necessarily want to build another set, but it might be an option if I can't find anything decent enough for the cash.
I'd prefer real 3 ways (not MTM, etc) as well.
budget might be in the 1.5K region for the right ones. Chump change for the audiophool, but I'm pretty sure I can make something work with that budget.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 12, 2014 5:17:09 GMT -6
well maybe see if there is an adam fire sale and get the A77x's, used twins would be higher than your budget I think but very well reviewed,
the dynaudio 15's or 16's can be had for around that price but no amp,actually I think there is a pair now on gs classified a guy in Canada selling them ? hey go nuts and score a bryston amp or two !!
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Post by svart on Dec 12, 2014 9:49:26 GMT -6
Thanks.
I am way behind the times when it comes to speakers. I mean, I used to be into it pretty big back in the early 90's when you pretty much just went and bought some Realistic speakers from Radio Shack and that was "audiophile" for the time.
Now, there are so many technologies mixed with marketing horseshit, I can't really see myself deciding in any reasonable amount of time.
I really wanted some 3way speakers since I don't have any in the studio, but it seems most of the budget aficionado speakers are 2 ways until you get beyond my budget.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 12, 2014 9:53:07 GMT -6
I'm interested in some B&W 805's, but haven't heard them. Might be something worth looking into. They seem to go in your price range and have a decent rep.
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Post by svart on Dec 12, 2014 10:01:21 GMT -6
goodness those are hideously ugly. Very well reviewed though.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 12, 2014 10:19:27 GMT -6
goodness those are hideously ugly. Very well reviewed though. Yep. Very ugly. Like some kind of modern art piece gone wrong. It looks like the B&W 801's might be more of what you're looking for (3-way) and still in the price range. They've got the 801's in the mastering room at Abbey Road (along with the PMC TB1's that I use). |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 12, 2014 10:24:05 GMT -6
goodness those are hideously ugly. Very well reviewed though. Yep. Very ugly. Like some kind of modern art piece gone wrong. It looks like the B&W 801's might be more of what you're looking for (3-way) and still in the price range. They've got the 801's in the mastering room at Abbey Road (along with the PMC TB1's that I use). Of course, that got me to take a look and sure enough, there's a pair of 801's local to me. Wish I had the $1500 to spend. |
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Post by svart on Dec 12, 2014 12:51:30 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 12, 2014 13:55:51 GMT -6
Yep. Very ugly. Like some kind of modern art piece gone wrong. It looks like the B&W 801's might be more of what you're looking for (3-way) and still in the price range. They've got the 801's in the mastering room at Abbey Road (along with the PMC TB1's that I use). Of course, that got me to take a look and sure enough, there's a pair of 801's local to me. Wish I had the $1500 to spend. How are liking the PMC's ? I find their design idea's make a lot of sense to me ? |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 12, 2014 14:00:52 GMT -6
Of course, that got me to take a look and sure enough, there's a pair of 801's local to me. Wish I had the $1500 to spend. How are liking the PMC's ? I find their design idea's make a lot of sense to me ? I dig them. Huge improvement over my old KRK Series II V8's. Still not the be all, end all though. |
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Post by svart on Dec 12, 2014 14:07:04 GMT -6
I did set my Troels Gravesen CSM monitors back up and found I still really like them a lot. I might keep them up for a while instead of the NS-10's and see how it goes.
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Post by popmann on Dec 15, 2014 14:11:19 GMT -6
You never bought anything worthy at Radio Shack....that said.... You want Paradigm for solid great speakers. Not audiophool pricing. Beat the shit out of the best of the big box type shops which will be similarly priced....I'm still using a pair of Monitor9s I bought 12+ years ago when I revamped my set up for SACD. Dad got a pair of the smaller Monitor 7s for his stereo not long after hearing mine. www.paradigm.com/...but, also, dont discount the role of the amp. It's getting harder to find good amps, as most receivers have become 7.1 digital HDMI DSP boxes....even 12 years ago, I had to special order my HK discrete analog. You want no DSP. Discrete left and right amps. Done. If you can get a phonostage, cool--cause that's where it's going, but less important--you can buy an outboard. |
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Post by svart on Dec 15, 2014 15:42:53 GMT -6
I've read good things about paradigm and for sure they are on my list of ones to look at. I'm still pondering building a set especially because it's much easier to put good money into the crossover and so forth. it seems that a lot of speakers from yesteryear are still coveted but lack some of the modern touches like physical driver time alignment and so forth, which would also be easy to build into a speaker. I came across (locally) an older set of infinity RS6001 with the EMIT tweeters and the poly dome midrange, which seem to be favorites of some audiophool sects, but on some research these seem to have 3+ crossover poles which other sects have a disdain for. I'd be up for trying them out but then again I'd not be able to swing another set if they didn't work out.. And probably would have a hard time moving them if I did buy them.. So I dunno yet. There are tons of options and narrowing them down by weeding through the marketing BS is rather tough IMHO. popmann Looking at the lower end paradigms, I see that the midbass and tweeter crossover is smack in the middle of 2Khz. This is what I'm trying to get around by going 3 way. I want the 800-3K region to be crossover free. Wharfdale looks like a common favorite too. |
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Post by popmann on Dec 15, 2014 16:19:45 GMT -6
I went and listened. For the majority of an afternoon. Familiar material. 7s didn't have enough bottom without the sub for me....11s had a much more traditional smoothed out middle and big lows....9s exposed the most details. Point being--a speaker is an entire design. The box makes as much difference than the crossover. It's a system.
I know you're an EE....buy, that's gonna hurt you here. There's really nothing to research. You go listen.
Picking listening gear is as emotional as anything. What makes your soul sing? What wraps the room in warm sound. There's no spwc that tells you that. And if you have the "perfect spec" speaker with ruler flat response, etc, I promise it will suck. You don't want to know how bad a lot of recordings are. In fact, that's always been my tests for stereos--take an example of the best productions and the worst that you like....and make sure they both sound good, lousy systems, the great production will sound good....great systems, the lousy production will sound lousy...,you want a stereo where either one is acceptably listenable.
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Post by levon on Dec 16, 2014 7:24:59 GMT -6
I heard the B&Ws at Abbey Road, they are amazing. Not in the 'affordable' bracket, though. Adam A77Xs are affordable and sound great.
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Post by svart on Dec 16, 2014 7:52:26 GMT -6
I went and listened. For the majority of an afternoon. Familiar material. 7s didn't have enough bottom without the sub for me....11s had a much more traditional smoothed out middle and big lows....9s exposed the most details. Point being--a speaker is an entire design. The box makes as much difference than the crossover. It's a system. I know you're an EE....buy, that's gonna hurt you here. There's really nothing to research. You go listen. Picking listening gear is as emotional as anything. What makes your soul sing? What wraps the room in warm sound. There's no spwc that tells you that. And if you have the "perfect spec" speaker with ruler flat response, etc, I promise it will suck. You don't want to know how bad a lot of recordings are. In fact, that's always been my tests for stereos--take an example of the best productions and the worst that you like....and make sure they both sound good, lousy systems, the great production will sound good....great systems, the lousy production will sound lousy...,you want a stereo where either one is acceptably listenable. I hear you, and most days I'd agree with you. However, it still stands that I require a true 3 way speaker without a crossover in the 2k region. Let me tell you why.. Because I have 6 pairs of speakers in the house and the studio, all 2-way speakers with crossovers in the 2K region. I listened to some music at a buddy's house the other day on some nicer 3 way speakers and they revealed something about the mixes that I had not heard before on any of my speakers. Because of this, if I'm going to "upgrade" my stereo speakers, they are going to be something VERY different from what I currently have, or I might as well just keep what I already have, which work fine. |
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Post by platinum on Dec 25, 2014 0:05:12 GMT -6
I'm very impressed with Sonodyne SRP800. They are batting well above their price point.
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Post by svart on Dec 25, 2014 12:22:14 GMT -6
I'm very impressed with Sonodyne SRP800. They are batting well above their price point. Those look a lot like the JBL LSR43xx monitors I have. I'm still dead set on going 3 way, and this is for a stereo system, not for the studio. I will be using anything I get to proof my mixes in a more "real world" type of setup though. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 26, 2014 6:28:40 GMT -6
that is basic dilemma between 2 and 3 way, they each have their inherent response characteristics; simpler 2 way but bass and mid mass overlap, more complex 3 way ( 2 phase situation at crossover point) but more defined freq into each speaker ?
so which is truly better or just get to really know your monitors/speakers and understand their role in your sound and how they interact with your room ?
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Post by platinum on Dec 26, 2014 17:51:23 GMT -6
I'm very impressed with Sonodyne SRP800. They are batting well above their price point. Those look a lot like the JBL LSR43xx monitors I have. I'm still dead set on going 3 way, and this is for a stereo system, not for the studio. I will be using anything I get to proof my mixes in a more "real world" type of setup though. I auditioned a few 3 way speakers and still found the SRP800 more cohesive and musical. The Focal Be Twins and the Eve SC305 among them. The new Trident 3 ways are probably worth a listen. When I was having a chat with the store manager about my impressions, he insisted I give them a listen, but I was out of time. A question though, would high end hi if home theatre speakers not be a better option? You'll need mid fields or fairly high throw/SPL nearfields and they may lose their phantom image in a wide layout as may be typical in a lounge. |
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