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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 1, 2014 13:39:29 GMT -6
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Post by formatcyes on Dec 1, 2014 14:54:15 GMT -6
The charts should be based on how much money a song generates. If you stream on spotify and have 100 million downloads that is worth about 25cents approx Sell one CD $14 dollars. Even tho this example is stupid if you are giving away your music (spotify is effectively giving away your music) why should that be counted. If your song sell's to an add agency for 10million that should put you to the top. Dollars for a tune is what count's. The tune's that make the most money should be top of the charts.. In the movie business they carry on about which movie made the most money music should be the same..
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Post by popmann on Dec 1, 2014 17:04:11 GMT -6
Well, it depends on what Billboard is trying to measure. The fact is--the industry they catered to (you understand no one outside it gives a flying fuck about chart position, right?) is dead. They will either evolve and rebrand themselves as some sort of cultural watermark, or they die along with it.
plus people like Prince have found ways to show how hack able their system is--how many of his independent records no one heard have debuted at number one due to various schemes he's cooked up to rack up sales? No doubt that started their discussions that led to this....
Didn't care who was on Billboard charts before....won't care now.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 1, 2014 17:57:02 GMT -6
The original idea for the Billboard chart was a guide for record stores informing them of what to stock. It was based on shipments to stores nationally rather than sales because they primarily wanted to be sure they had what everybody else had. Records in the U.S. were sold on consignment so it was not unheard of to ship gold and come back platinum when a record stiffed in most markets. Obviously the entire premise is obsolete today.
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Post by ericn on Dec 1, 2014 18:02:09 GMT -6
After reading a couple of articles it comes down to the fact Billboard and Nielson Soundscan are trying to make them selves relevant and survive by merging their data with that the record companies and management can get directly from google/ ITunes / and all the big streaming services and present it in a way that makes their Data/ algorithms indespenceable.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 1, 2014 18:20:04 GMT -6
I assume the customer is advertisers.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 1, 2014 18:44:47 GMT -6
OK - I'm gonna read this more closely a little later...but how does this really help anything? It's helping the artists generate mythical mechanical royalties...e.g., each 1500 spins = 1 album sale. But that's just on PAPER, right? No one is spending the money for this "album." So, now, artists are going to appear to sell more albums, but still get paid at a streaming rate. Maybe I'm confused, though. Even though they get credit for one more album sold, no one paid $9.99 for it. Spotify still only paid the .000113 cents per stream. So, .000113 x 1500 = .1695. 17 Cents per album
What about the .0925 cents per song per album mechanical royalty songwriters are supposed to get? Guess that doesn't apply anymore?
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 1, 2014 18:48:20 GMT -6
BTW - just so you know...Lady Antebellum had over 72 Million streams of "I Need You Now"...the songwriters split $6000. That is LESS than .000113 cents per stream. The good news is, they would have been credited for another 48,000 albums sold. Whoopie shit.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 1, 2014 19:00:21 GMT -6
BTW - just so you know...Lady Antebellum had over 72 Million streams of "I Need You Now"...the songwriters split $6000. That is LESS than .000113 cents per stream. The good news is, they would have been credited for another 48,000 albums sold. Whoopie shit. I don't know anything about this stuff, but you've mentioned that a top ten hit generates more dough or something right? I assume that's via Billboards charts? Is it more money because it sells a lot or do you get some bonus money? If it's bonus money, these changing statics might shake up the charts a bit, in turn changing your income.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 1, 2014 19:34:58 GMT -6
The only money that's generated comes form radio play. That is "Performance Royalty." The sales of albums are "Mechanical Royalties"...basically, there are no mechanical royalties anymore.
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Post by wiz on Dec 1, 2014 20:37:45 GMT -6
are there mechanicals on iTunes albums or singles.. how does that work with writers Johnkenn
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 1, 2014 21:05:36 GMT -6
Yes...just for instance - a mechanical royalty for one song on one album is .0925 cents in the US. So - if you're on a million selling Platinum album, you would make $92,500. But, you co-wrote it, so you only make $46,250. But, your publisher has paid you $30K per year in advances for the last two years. So, $60,000 minus $46,250 = $13,750 that your publisher will recoup before you see a dime. But alas...you can also see money if your song is singled and released to radio by a major artist. And that's easy as pie...
Sorry - I was being sarcastic...here's some info.
How does a songwriter earn money? —— [Insert your own punchline here.]
But the real answer is… music publishing!
There’re a number of different kinds of publishing royalties you can earn from the usage of your original music.
One of the big sources of publishing revenue you’ll earn as a songwriter is performance royalties. But another revenue stream (at least for the music publishing industry at large) is mechanical royalties, which we’ll talk about in this article.
Mechanical royalties and independent songwriters Wikipedia says:
The term “mechanical” and “mechanical license” has its origins in the “piano rolls” on which music was recorded in the early part of the 20th Century. Although its concept is now primarily oriented to royalty income from sale of compact discs (CDs), its scope is wider and covers any copyrighted audio composition that is rendered mechanically; that is, without human performers.
In a nutshell: every time a song you’ve written is manufactured to be sold in a CD, downloaded on a digital music retail site, or streamed through services like Spotify and Rdio, you are owed a mechanical royalty.
Now for the longer explanation of mechanical royalties… As a songwriter/publisher, you are owed a royalty every time your composition is reproduced (on vinyl, tape, CD, MP3, etc). In the United States, this royalty is generally equal to 9.1 cents per reproduced “copy” of that song, regardless of whether those albums or singles are sold. (The mechanical royalty rate for on-demand streams through services like Spotify and Rdio is far lower; and yes — those services owe you both a mechanical royalty AND a performance royalty for your music’s usage). But let’s get back to mechanical royalties for CD sales and downloads for a second…
If someone covers one of your songs and they manufacture 1000 CDs — they owe you $91, regardless of whether those CDs ever get purchased by customers. If they sell 100 MP3s of your song, they owe you $9.10.
You are also owed a mechanical royalty for the sales of your music on YOUR OWN albums. But here’s where things get a little virtual; if you’re acting as your own label and putting out music that you’ve written, you’ll effectively be paying that royalty to yourself from album proceeds.
At least that’s how it works in the US, where download retailers like iTunes and Amazon pass on that mechanical royalty to you as part of the net payment for the sale of the MP3. But in many countries outside the US, mechanical royalties are set aside BY the retailer, to be paid to collection societies who then distribute those royalties to publishers and writers.
BUT performing rights organizations like ASCAP and BMI do NOT collect mechanical royalties. Their job is to collect performance royalties, NOT mechanicals. So…
How do you collect “foreign mechanicals” generated outside the US? In order to collect international mechanical royalties (as well as mechanicals for both global and domestic streams), you’d need to register your music with many royalty collection societies around the world.
As our friend Justin Kalifowitz of SongTrust is fond of saying, you CAN do it yourself if you really want to — but you’ll probably have to stop making music for a while. Affiliating yourself and registering your songs directly with all the international collection societies would not only take hundreds of hours of paperwork and filling out online forms, but you’d need to be proficient in dozens of languages — or hire a translator. And who wants to do that when you’ve got gigs to play?
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 1, 2014 21:06:31 GMT -6
btw - I'm not really sure how that .0925 gets broken down if it is sold as a single.
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Post by wiz on Dec 1, 2014 21:25:46 GMT -6
thanks for that bud...
I once got royalties from airplay in Poland... I have no idea how that happened...
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wish it happened more
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cheers
Wiz
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