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U47 fet
Apr 17, 2015 18:23:16 GMT -6
Post by drbill on Apr 17, 2015 18:23:16 GMT -6
If we're looking for substitutes or replacements - vintage transformer coupled UM70 for kick. M7 capsule, made by the REAL Neumann company, and Fig of 8. As they say.... "done" 1/4 the price and extremely useable on many sources. Looks far sillier than the 47FET though....
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U47 fet
Apr 17, 2015 19:15:34 GMT -6
Post by tonycamphd on Apr 17, 2015 19:15:34 GMT -6
The hyper cardioid pattern is the big allure of the fet47
U47 is not hyper Cardioid
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U47 fet
Apr 17, 2015 19:24:37 GMT -6
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Post by mulmany on Apr 17, 2015 19:24:37 GMT -6
The hyper cardioid pattern is the big allure of the fet47 U47 is not hyper Cardioid Tony, the fet47 is standard cardioid. Not sure why you say it's hyper? We're the ones you used modded? |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Apr 17, 2015 19:30:41 GMT -6
It was advertised as hyper and behaved like one.
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U47 fet
Apr 17, 2015 19:55:28 GMT -6
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Post by mulmany on Apr 17, 2015 19:55:28 GMT -6
It was advertised as hyper and behaved like one. Interesting... since the reissue is advertised as a cardioid. It been to long since I used one, but it was only brought out for kick and bass cab. |
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U47 fet
Apr 17, 2015 20:16:18 GMT -6
Post by tonycamphd on Apr 17, 2015 20:16:18 GMT -6
I always knew them as hyper, and my experience with them in the past has showed extreme off axis rejection about as tight as any hyper cardioid I've ever used, so if they're not hyper, it's news to me.
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U47 fet
Apr 18, 2015 6:21:19 GMT -6
Post by Ward on Apr 18, 2015 6:21:19 GMT -6
It was advertised as hyper and behaved like one. But they're more like super-cardioid than hyper-cardioid. See differences:  |
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 18, 2015 10:05:32 GMT -6
The diff between super/hyper has always appeared semantical, its next to impossible to hear the diff between the 2 for me.
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U47 fet
Apr 18, 2015 11:19:03 GMT -6
Post by Randge on Apr 18, 2015 11:19:03 GMT -6
I tend to use an RCA 44 or Cascade Fathead nulled from the snare and hi hats and never cared for a condenser out in front of the kick. Now room mics 6' back, capturing the whole kit, yeah, I am way on board for that!
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U47 fet
Apr 18, 2015 18:03:23 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Apr 18, 2015 18:03:23 GMT -6
The diff between super/hyper has always appeared semantical, its next to impossible to hear the diff between the 2 for me. Agreed one mans hyper is another mans super. |
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U47 fet
Apr 19, 2015 11:23:43 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Apr 19, 2015 11:23:43 GMT -6
The diff between super/hyper has always appeared semantical, its next to impossible to hear the diff between the 2 for me. Agreed one mans hyper is another mans super. Sure. By that metric, one man's ribbon is another man's condenser. |
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U47 fet
Apr 19, 2015 11:48:36 GMT -6
Post by tonycamphd on Apr 19, 2015 11:48:36 GMT -6
Agreed one mans hyper is another mans super. Sure. By that metric, one man's ribbon is another man's condenser. Hmmm, am I missing something? Because I've haven't a clue how u figure that? Hyper and super are almost identical patterns, and ime most times super and hyper will look/act exactly like the other. I can hardly say that about a ribbon and condenser. |
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U47 fet
Apr 19, 2015 12:06:10 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Apr 19, 2015 12:06:10 GMT -6
Agreed one mans hyper is another mans super. Sure. By that metric, one man's ribbon is another man's condenser. The definition of a cardioid is pretty standard amongst manufacturers, Super is defined as a different sub catagory of Hyper depending on who you are talking to ! Some define it by the tightening of the frontal lobe others the rear lobe, through in the fact the inconsistencies of the pattern vs freq and well look the bottom line is I know a ton of guys who spec what a manufacturer will call Super as Hyper cardioid ! Bottom line is They pretty much act the same and there is no true recognized standard of the differences unlike a ribbon and condenser! |
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Post by peteje on Apr 19, 2015 12:10:41 GMT -6
They are pretty great on double bass.
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U47 fet
Apr 19, 2015 17:14:15 GMT -6
Post by Ward on Apr 19, 2015 17:14:15 GMT -6
Sure. By that metric, one man's ribbon is another man's condenser. Hmmm, am I missing something? Because I've haven't a clue how u figure that? Hyper and super are almost identical patterns, and ime most times super and hyper will look/act exactly like the other. I can hardly say that about a ribbon and condenser.
What I intimate is that there is a SIGNIFICANT difference between super and hyper cardioid variants. The best examples of a super-cardioid or 'tight cardioid' don't do the 'everything in front of the microphone's 180º front get equal amounts of pickup'. Best examples of super-cardioid-ish microphones include the U47fet, RE20/27 and the SM7. They weren't intentionally super-cardioid, but they ended up coming out that way. Many cardioids pick-up almost as well 45º off axis as they do 'dead on' axis. Of course the Sennheiser 441 WAS (and IS) intentionally super-cardioid and performs almost exactly the same as a Fet47.
Now as for hyper-caridoids, the rear 'lobe' of the microphone is about 50% as powerful as the front lobe. Not incredibly user friendly.
Another question is... Why does the FET47 pick-up so much 'oomph' when placed in front of a kick drum? |
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