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Post by mrholmes on Nov 29, 2014 21:51:51 GMT -6
Some of you won't believe it I never changed the original pick ups on my E-Guitars since 25 years. I never cared because I was happy with the sound. A few weeks ago I bought my first Archtop because I missed that Jazzy-TONE. I decided for a Chinese Ibanez. We had to re-do the fretwork, but after this it was hard to justify a difference of 2200 € to the Gibson ES 175. The Gibson was in all points TOP of the line, but the Ibanez was not bad either. The finishing is great on the Ibanez. I recognized that the Gibson had a better string separation and nicer highs. The salesman advised me to upgrade the neck pickup one day. What is your opinion/experience? Do pick ups make a difference or is it all psychology, perception, because the working principle is always the same? THX Holmes…..
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Post by popmann on Nov 29, 2014 22:45:09 GMT -6
Not be difficult, but I think you would have to define "matters"....yes, of course they make a large change in tone and response going from worst to best....or lowest to highest output...or such. But, I think as a player you kind of have to decide how much it "matters". A lot of it IS how it responds. If you're asking if it matters in some "once it's put through ten pedals and EQd and recorded with a 57"....ehh....not as much as everything else. But, once you get to the level of guitar where the fretwork is consistent (thus intonation is solid up and down the neck)....pickups make the difference. Then wood. An Ash stray will always have different response than Alder. Not objectively better or worse...but different....and within the ash family, there will be variance pice to piece--actually, there's less variance in alder, which is the bigger selling point, I think....consistency.
You could come play my Heritage 535....which, due to the original owner's ignorance of such has a stock Seymour Duncan in the bridge and some generic Gibson Alinco replacement in the neck. If you couldn't hear the difference (beyond the obvious placement) I'd call you deaf. I've been meaning to call them and find out what Duncan was originally in the neck....but, honestly, I don't use the neck enough for it to be a priority.
But, yes....pickups....cap values....pot values....it all makes a difference. Arguably more so with single coils that are a little wider frequency response and lower output to begin with....
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 29, 2014 23:01:15 GMT -6
The original super 58 alnico PU produces a round warm tone; but undefined highs. I just wish to have a little more high end range, without sounding muffled.
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Post by jeromemason on Nov 29, 2014 23:39:21 GMT -6
Wood and pickups, those are the only two major factors in tone. IMO pickup choice is critical in what it is you're looking for. Some give my attack, some are smooth, some are just gnarly as hell, I mean pick your poison. When I had my pickups made by Mojotone I just told them what I wanted my Tele to play like and they sent me a set that did exactly what I asked for. I highly recommend that company if anyone is looking for pickups for any guitar. They'll over/under wind them, different magnet combo's.... and the build quality is excellent.
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Post by matt on Nov 30, 2014 0:35:33 GMT -6
Pickups make a difference, always. I recently installed a set of low-output OX4s into my CC#2 Goldie and now I have the sweet, articulate Les Paul I have always wanted, but could never find. I guess I have evolved to the thinking that you can distort clean, but not un-distort dirty.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 7:13:54 GMT -6
Heck ya, pups make all the difference in the world. I bought a Gretsch Black Falcon that had stock pups in it. I played it for a year and enjoyed it. When I learned about TV Jones and his pups, I chose his best single coils and had a tech pop them in. Truthfully, it became a totally different guitar with enhanced growl, spank and jangle. It was a minor league to major league kind of change. Some of you won't believe it I never changed the original pick ups on my E-Guitars since 25 years. I never cared because I was happy with the sound. A few weeks ago I bought my first Archtop because I missed that Jazzy-TONE. I decided for a Chinese Ibanez. We had to re-do the fretwork, but after this it was hard to justify a difference of 2200 € to the Gibson ES 175. The Gibson was in all points TOP of the line, but the Ibanez was not bad either. The finishing is great on the Ibanez. I recognized that the Gibson had a better string separation and nicer highs. The salesman advised me to upgrade the neck pickup one day. What is your opinion/experience? Do pick ups make a difference or is it all psychology, perception, because the working principle is always the same? THX Holmes…..
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 30, 2014 8:10:04 GMT -6
If you're serious about your guitar tone, of course pickups are a main ingredient. Ever play a 59' Les Paul, a 51 Esquire, a 61' SG Les Paul, a 63 SG Junior?
Once you have, you know how much the pickups matter. With the wrong pickups, nothing you play, no matter how well played will truly have the tone you want. In the end, there are thousands and thousands of excellent guitarists playing music today, all with the chops to play most anything, and their tone and touch is the main difference, and you can't get it with the wrong pickups. Good luck.
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Post by popmann on Nov 30, 2014 9:08:04 GMT -6
Humbuckers, FWIW....I've never bothered to look beyond Seymour Duncan....I have had a number of different models my whole life as a player--they all sound "right" to me. I realize there are some handwound boutique companies now, but....they seem a lot like an answer to a question no one was asking.
....meanwhile, for singles...companies like Dimarzio and the Fender Custom Shop do a nice job on a budget....but, whether it's Lindy Fralin or Lollar--there are just magically good single out there in boutique land.
But, it's about match to the guitar....100%. Which is why I don't mention models.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 30, 2014 9:32:33 GMT -6
Humbuckers, FWIW....I've never bothered to look beyond Seymour Duncan....I have had a number of different models my whole life as a player--they all sound "right" to me. I realize there are some handwound boutique companies now, but....they seem a lot like an answer to a question no one was asking. ....meanwhile, for singles...companies like Dimarzio and the Fender Custom Shop do a nice job on a budget....but, whether it's Lindy Fralin or Lollar--there are just magically good single out there in boutique land. But, it's about match to the guitar....100%. Which is why I don't mention models. Good advise. I should just try it if the difference is not that big I can sell the PU at e bay... Yupp I also stoped at the SD website the USP makes sense....
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Post by jimwilliams on Nov 30, 2014 11:14:57 GMT -6
"Vintage" style guitar pickups have fewer turns of wire, that's the classic sound. Most all aftermarket pickups are overwound to add more output so the kiddies can distort their amps.
This is a jazz guitar, I wouldn't take rec's from rockers too seriously. If you want the 1950's Gibson jazz box sound, a Gibson Burstbucker 1 will do nicely. It's 7800 ohms DC resistance, like the originals. Use 500k ohm Bourns conductive plastic volume and tone pots, they will also help.
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Post by popmann on Nov 30, 2014 11:16:26 GMT -6
I should point out the other reason I've not swapped my 335 clone's neck....which you might take into account--semi hollows are a HUGE pain the ass to switch. It involves removing the pots one by one through the F hole....soldering, keeping in mind where they NEED to go....and putting them back.
Where solid bodies are no brainer work....if you can solder, you can swap PUs....
If anyone knows a trick to that, let us both know....
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Post by WKG on Nov 30, 2014 17:22:36 GMT -6
I almost always change pickups. For me it is often more a matter of response and feel than just tone. There's a good bit of leeway twisting knobs to help dial in tone but if the guitar doesn't speak back to me it's all a futile exercise. This all assuming all other variables are working together as well, guitar wood, amp, humidity, barometric pressure, the efficiency of neural synapses firing on the given day...
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Post by wiz on Nov 30, 2014 17:28:01 GMT -6
I have never been a pickup changing guy... no particular reason..... for or against.
I just pick em up, play em... and either put em back down or buy em... 8)
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Guitar on Nov 30, 2014 18:20:37 GMT -6
I like Gibson's Burstbucker pickups, I have various versions of them in all of my humbuggie guitars, along with their P-90s in another.
Pickups make a huge difference, they can "make" or "break" an instrument's sound and response. All of my cheaper guitars and basses get high end pickups to bring them where I want them. The higher end guitars often get pickup tweaking as well.
If you care what compressor, monitors, or conversion you use, you should give the same consideration to your instruments' sounds. From pickups all the way through to pedals, amplifiers, and what speakers are in your speaker cabinets. Once you get a great sound dialed in you won't be the only one who notices. It's a very satisfying process. I find that tweaking an instrument is one of the most gratifying projects out of all DIY type things. It's the most immediate concern to a musician, the instrument in the hand, giving the sound off of your fingers to the room. Working on an instrument just seems so passionate and artistic where working on a recording device feels so white coat Abbey Road which is different but cool as well.
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 1, 2014 10:21:35 GMT -6
Thnaks for all the advises I measured the restinace of the orginals super 58 taht is around 7,12 kohm neck and 7.40 kohm saddle. I guess thats near to the PAF stile?
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