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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 29, 2014 8:56:40 GMT -6
I'm finding more and more - the more complicated something is, the less likely I am to use it. I'm gonna use some of my holiday money this year to setting things up so they're ready to go...e.g. having my amp miked up and ready to go...having a stand and mic ready to go for acoustics...having a dedicated mic pre and mic ready to go. I've kind've avoided buying two pres of the same type, because I've considered it a waste, but man, convenience is everything. Just making it as easy as possible to be creative. Any suggestions?
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Post by unit7 on Nov 29, 2014 9:31:13 GMT -6
Totally agree on that! Especially in a project/writing studio which is what I've had until my current setup. One mains switch, boot the computer and go. Not quite as easy to achieve in bigger studios but just as desirable imo. One thing I did recently in my fairly complex setup was getting the TK Tranciever, to be able to easily use fx pedals in a mix. Things like that. To keep creativity up and hazzle down.
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Post by matt on Nov 29, 2014 10:20:27 GMT -6
having my amp miked up and ready to go...having a stand and mic ready to go for acoustics...having a dedicated mic pre and mic ready to go . . . Just making it as easy as possible to be creative. Hah! I spent last night doing just this, sorted some minor cabling confusion and decided to dedicate certain pre channels so gain levels and signal routing stay the same. I've been burned a few times by having things wired wrong. Of course, the takes I missed were the best ever. I tend to change things and not document what I've done. So I found a notebook and declared it the official Logbook of SJS. Now I just need to use it.
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Post by drbill on Nov 29, 2014 10:48:51 GMT -6
Absolutely John! Add patch bays, additional racks, sometimes an extra computer (although this comes with it's own complications...), additional racks for organization, etc.. The simpler and more straight ahead your studio is, the more likely you are to surround and capture that creative muse...
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 29, 2014 10:49:25 GMT -6
TT Patchbay It brings all the backs to the front in a compact and easily accessible way, normalize your favorite pieces, mult a couple things, oh doo dah day 8) edit; Damn it! Pearson! always a step ahead!
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Post by drbill on Nov 29, 2014 18:11:45 GMT -6
I'm actually two steps ahead Tony. :-) After having TT bays with hardwired soldered rear connections on the rear, I jumped ship. A couple of years ago I terminated ALL my racks with Female 90 pin Elco's on the back and redid all my bays, wiring, interconnects, etc.. Now the TT bays also have 90 pin Female Elco's on the back and I got a bunch (and I DO mean a bunch) of Male to Male 90 Pin Elco interconnects of various lengths from 8' to 50' wired with 24 pair Mogami. Four cables terminate on the rear of each TT bay. Luckily my studio and wiring philosophy was based on the law of 24's. i.e.: 48 input console, 12 stereo aux returns, 24i/o conversion, 2" 24 track, etc., etc. = so the 90 pin (use 72 positions) Elco's and 24 pair Mogami just made perfect sense for me. Two guys can break down the studio, rearrange racks, completely reconfigure all the gear, etc. - the whole thing - in a matter of a couple of hours. One of the best decisions I ever made. Makes "ease of use" have new meaning for me. It was a lot of work, and a lot of $$, but I scavenged my old bays and wiring and sold it, so other than a couple of months of labor on my part, the cost wasn't too bad. (Maybe 8k or so)
BTW, I came to the conclusion that I needed to do this when I was trying to fix a broken soldier point on the rear of a TT bay and reroute a rack and was up to my knees (literally) in tangled up snake cables so bad I could barely crawl out.... heh heh
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Post by wiz on Nov 29, 2014 18:39:19 GMT -6
I think its a great idea....
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 29, 2014 22:08:27 GMT -6
I am using a cheap 1/4 patchbay...Not sure there's anything wrong with it...you think?
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Post by ericn on Nov 29, 2014 22:17:12 GMT -6
I am using a cheap 1/4 patchbay...Not sure there's anything wrong with it...you think? Cheap bays are great till the low insertion Jacks start having problems! The only use I have for Generic Made in china bays is vent panels !
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Post by drbill on Nov 29, 2014 22:55:48 GMT -6
Like Eric mentioned, it's the reliability that's the issue with cheap 1/4 bays. Generally, a decent TT bay will last you a full lifetime....or two. And used, they are a bargain. Sometimes cheaper than a new 1/4 bay. Commissioning them is significantly more labor intensive though if you're using the solder on lug versions. The elco or DB25 terminated ones are generally much higher priced.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 11:42:18 GMT -6
IME, those cheap patchbays are OK - for a limited time and occasional use. Used them in keyboard racks and similar. Once they start to get flakey, lots of hassle not worth it. TT-Patchbays are really cheap used if you look out a bit. Lots of work to solder (got solder lugs version), patch cable price considerably higher, but built like tanks and connection quality is great. And this is, where the 1/4" patchbays start to suck early and become constant source of issues...
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Post by ericn on Nov 30, 2014 11:59:58 GMT -6
Like Eric mentioned, it's the reliability that's the issue with cheap 1/4 bays. Generally, a decent TT bay will last you a full lifetime....or two. And used, they are a bargain. Sometimes cheaper than a new 1/4 bay. Commissioning them is significantly more labor intensive though if you're using the solder on lug versions. The elco or DB25 terminated ones are generally much higher priced. Picked up another ADC with solder lugs for $20 last week! Elco bays can be had on EBay for $60 BUT you have to be careful QC it, check normals!
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Post by Randge on Nov 30, 2014 12:27:12 GMT -6
I leave everything set up most of the time here with quick disconnects on everything for a random last minute or creative mic swap. I find that my stands and mics last longer without repair or replacement when they aren't torqued and moved all the time. As for patch-bays, I am a big fan of the Switchcraft 9625's. All of the normal-ling options on the face and built with a lifetime of use in mind.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Nov 30, 2014 12:38:41 GMT -6
One of the bigger shocks I ever had was discovering a cheap 1/4" patch bay I'd installed as a temporary measure turned out to be really reliable for a decade. Whatever you do, always get nickel-plated jacks and cords.
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Post by ericn on Nov 30, 2014 12:44:25 GMT -6
I leave everything set up most of the time here with quick disconnects on everything for a random last minute or creative mic swap. I find that my stands and mics last longer without repair or replacement when they aren't torqued and moved all the time. As for patch-bays, I am a big fan of the Switchcraft 9625's. All of the normal-ling options on the face and built with a lifetime of use in mind. R I don't dissagree but while stands like not being torqued, shock mounts don't like always being under load, those elastic bands lose elasticity and eventually give and mics come crashing to the floor! Those Switchcraft 9625s are one of the best bays I have ever seen, but even used never cheap!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 12:52:19 GMT -6
Actually, they (1/4") can differ a quite a bit in quality from manufacturer to manufacturer and model to model. There were even cheaper than neutrik models, that were actually better in quality. Some are good for a long time, others were unusable after less than 2 yrs...also depends much on how clever the setup is, how you normal, how often you actually do plug in and out... Argument for solder lug patchbays: less plugs and jacks, less hassle.
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Post by Randge on Nov 30, 2014 14:23:13 GMT -6
I have a huge handful of extra bands, so I never have to worry. I have only had one go bad and break since the studio opened over 10 years ago, so my luck is pretty good I guess.
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Post by ericn on Nov 30, 2014 15:13:56 GMT -6
Actually, they (1/4") can differ a quite a bit in quality from manufacturer to manufacturer and model to model. There were even cheaper than neutrik models, that were actually better in quality. Some are good for a long time, others were unusable after less than 2 yrs...also depends much on how clever the setup is, how you normal, how often you actually do plug in and out... Argument for solder lug patchbays: less plugs and jacks, less hassle. The Neutrik like 99% are made in the Rean factory Now owned by Neutrik!
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Post by ericn on Nov 30, 2014 15:17:22 GMT -6
I have a huge handful of extra bands, so I never have to worry. I have only had one go bad and break since the studio opened over 10 years ago, so my luck is pretty good I guess. R Cross your fingers I had to explaine to a young Oscar winning composer Not to store his mics in the shock mount after 2 year old bands bit the dust and his pride and joy ended up with a dent! I do love the Rycote mounts a lot less to worry about!
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Post by wiz on Nov 30, 2014 15:42:55 GMT -6
+1000 for the rycote.
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Post by popmann on Nov 30, 2014 17:08:15 GMT -6
As Spinal Tap'ian as this thread has gotten, I'm gonna suggest two words: adult diapers. "For when the muse won't wait....."
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Post by Randge on Nov 30, 2014 18:45:36 GMT -6
I would also say that barely over a handful (7) of my mics have those bands anyway. Many of my mounts are Royers and the like that are expensive but rarely have problems. I am slowly replacing cheaper stands as they go bad with Triad Orbit stands. They will last my lifetime. I have also restored a few of the vintage Atlas stands from the 1950's that are very heavy duty and just wearing parts out now. One more and I will have finished restoring the (4) that I bought in an estate sale. www.royerlabs.com/sling-shock.htmlwww.triad-orbit.com/R
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 30, 2014 19:57:02 GMT -6
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Nov 30, 2014 20:36:53 GMT -6
The ones that worked out well had a 1/4 inch TRS jack on each side. For the life of me I can't remember the manufacturer.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 30, 2014 21:00:57 GMT -6
The one I'm using now is a DBX...I guess I'll use that until it doesn't work anymore.
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