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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 21, 2014 14:45:59 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 21, 2014 14:47:27 GMT -6
Coming to you, tonycamphdSo - do I really need the Blue Line? I don't really want to wait, but I also want the best possible. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 21, 2014 15:01:28 GMT -6
nice !! for vox; consensus is the blue line, as it is the closest to the original you are going to get; basically a modern day recreation. or ask yourself after its all said and done, do you want to have any doubts about the mike ? if your answer is yes, order some other cap cus ,of course , neither cowboy, cat5 nor TonyC know shit; right ?!  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 21, 2014 15:02:56 GMT -6
Yeah - I think you're right...kind of want the known commodity. So - you get the Blue line, pop it in and it's already "tuned" to spec?
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Post by svart on Nov 21, 2014 15:07:24 GMT -6
Yeah - I think you're right...kind of want the known commodity. So - you get the Blue line, pop it in and it's already "tuned" to spec? Yep. Should come all ready to go as long as shipping hasn't done something to it. The M7 capsule glued the PVC to the backplate as well. There is no ability to tension it via screws at all. A re-tension means removing the diaphragm and starting again.. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 21, 2014 15:11:21 GMT -6
Ah - touche! Totally forgot...M7's are "get what you get and don't throw a fit..."
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Post by ericn on Nov 21, 2014 15:22:07 GMT -6
Coming to you, tonycamphdSo - do I really need the Blue Line? I don't really want to wait, but I also want the best possible. Blue line ! |
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 21, 2014 16:07:33 GMT -6
Nice Johnkenn ! there's 2 choices imv, the blueline is plug n play beauty, or Shann the mann who takes your mic and doesn't let it out of his hands until it sounds like the best U47 he's ever heard, the later i'm sure is more $, but is without a doubt what i would do if i had the cash for the choice. looking forward to building this badboy, Kcatthedog hooked me up with a solid bom, i'm going to vet it this evening, and email you some shopping carts, then everything should arrive at the same time barring capsule choice/delivery delays? 8) |
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Post by drbill on Nov 21, 2014 16:10:37 GMT -6
Talk to Dan D about the red vs blue in this mic build. And also about the Beezneez K47. He's had em all in the room at the same time, with Scott Leibers shooting them out. Personally, I've got the beezneez. Happy with it. PS - congrats you will love it. if you can find quiet tubes.....  |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 21, 2014 18:14:47 GMT -6
cat5 has been shooting out tubes so check with him and I am sure Christian at proaudiotubes can hook you up !
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 21, 2014 21:23:37 GMT -6
I've got super quiet western 408's in mine, i did go through 6 tubes to get here, and i have 4 left from the lot of 10 that i bought for $50 or so, the sandbar resistors are what was causing the noise for most guys, if you get an aluminum chassis mount resistor in it's place, all's good.
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Post by drbill on Nov 21, 2014 22:33:23 GMT -6
Yeah, the resistors were a nightmare - glad that got worked out. But even after that, there were tube noise problems. Dan has built a tube tester to try to find tubes that are quiet I think. Having 2 tubes in 1 mic kind of complicates finding good ones....
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Post by sopwith on Nov 22, 2014 1:31:41 GMT -6
Took me far too long to figure out what was going on here.  |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 22, 2014 4:53:21 GMT -6
The brass slider creates a metallic field which flips the reed switch for omni /cardioid, which is mounted behind the brass slider (recessed for protection) within the microphone housing.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 22, 2014 7:42:35 GMT -6
Took me far too long to figure out what was going on here. Looks damaged? No? |
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Post by kidvybes on Nov 22, 2014 8:27:03 GMT -6
...not to complicate matters, but I'm still undecided about the final capsule choice for my MK-47...I've been doing a lot of research, and some of the experts like Klaus Heyne are very strong on the K47 capsule in the U47 (if I can find his remarks, I will post the link)...the Thiersch capsules sound great, no doubt, but I'm still waiting to hear a good K47 in this build...Chunger is doing a shootout with a few capsule options...I'm looking forward to hearing Eric Heiserman's K47 which sounded wonderful in James Lugo's 47Fet, shot-out against a new Tele U47 with their M7 capsule...Eric re-skinned a Chinese K47 capsule for me and the difference was night and day...
...and no doubt, Shannon would kill it, but at a premium pricepoint...I will say this, I have heard numerous soundfiles of Max's mic with different capsules (including my own with a temporary, yet decent-sounding Chinese K47), and they all sounded very similar to me...I suspect that a lot of the character in this mic is determined by Max's dual-tube circuit and his excellent transformers...I believe this mic will sound exemplary with any good quality K47 or M7 capsule option...it all comes down to personal preference...
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 22, 2014 8:34:21 GMT -6
Took me far too long to figure out what was going on here. Looks damaged? No? Just a reflection from the chandelier |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 22, 2014 8:36:49 GMT -6
...not to complicate matters, but I'm still undecided about the final capsule choice for my MK-47...I've been doing a lot of research, and some of the experts like Klaus Heyne are very strong on the K47 capsule in the U47 (if I can find his remarks, I will post the link)...the Thiersch capsules sound great, no doubt, but I'm still waiting to hear a good K47 in this build...Chunger is doing a shootout with a few capsule options...I'm looking forward to hearing Eric Heiserman's K47 which sounded wonderful in James Lugo's 47Fet, shot-out against a new Tele U47 with their M7 capsule...Eric re-skinned a Chinese K47 capsule for me and the difference was night and day... ...and no doubt, Shannon would kill it, but at a premium pricepoint...I will say this, I have heard numerous soundfiles of Max's mic with different capsules (including my own with a temporary, yet decent-sounding Chinese K47), and they all sounded very similar to me...I suspect that a lot of the character in this mic is determined by Max's dual-tube circuit and his excellent transformers...I believe this mic will sound exemplary with any good quality K47 or M7 capsule option...it all comes down to personal preference... I am going to go with the Blue Line...I just feel like it's the "known commodity." Just gives me a reassurance that I'm getting as close to a traditional M7 U47 as I can. |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 22, 2014 8:39:55 GMT -6
...not to complicate matters, but I'm still undecided about the final capsule choice for my MK-47...I've been doing a lot of research, and some of the experts like Klaus Heyne are very strong on the K47 capsule in the U47 (if I can find his remarks, I will post the link)...the Thiersch capsules sound great, no doubt, but I'm still waiting to hear a good K47 in this build...Chunger is doing a shootout with a few capsule options...I'm looking forward to hearing Eric Heiserman's K47 which sounded wonderful in James Lugo's 47Fet, shot-out against a new Tele U47 with their M7 capsule...Eric re-skinned a Chinese K47 capsule for me and the difference was night and day... ...and no doubt, Shannon would kill it, but at a premium pricepoint...I will say this, I have heard numerous soundfiles of Max's mic with different capsules (including my own with a temporary, yet decent-sounding Chinese K47), and they all sounded very similar to me...I suspect that a lot of the character in this mic is determined by Max's dual-tube circuit and his excellent transformers...I believe this mic will sound exemplary with any good quality K47 or M7 capsule option...it all comes down to personal preference... I am going to go with the Blue Line...I just feel like it's the "known commodity." Just gives me a reassurance that I'm getting as close to a traditional M7 U47 as I can. Can't go wrong with the Blue Line. Cat 5 built one with each red/blue if you want to hear the difference. |
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Post by kidvybes on Nov 22, 2014 9:02:12 GMT -6
I am going to go with the Blue Line...I just feel like it's the "known commodity." Just gives me a reassurance that I'm getting as close to a traditional M7 U47 as I can. Can't go wrong with the Blue Line. Cat 5 built one with each red/blue if you want to hear the difference. ...Yes, I've had some conversations with Shane, as we've been swapping/testing different tubes in the mic...currently burning-in some "gold-pin" RCA and Sylvanias, which are very hard to come by...as far as the Thiersch capsules go, Shane seems to actually prefer the Redline, for better bottom-end response, if I remember correctly what he told me... ...the differences between these capsules is IMHO, more subtle than one might imagine...and again, personal preference (plus the satisfying feeling of having a vintage-style PVC M7 in your mic) play a big part in deciding what works best for each of us...a perfect example, read JK's statement, "Just gives me a reassurance that I'm getting as close to a traditional M7 U47 as I can"... ...from what I've gathered, the 34mm K47with Mylar membrane is softer, less aggressive in the mids than the 32mm M7 PVC capsule...also the 34mm membrane offers a bit more low-end response than the smaller 32mm... ...but as I said before, I'm not implying one is better than another...what I am saying is, just as I felt about Tim Campbell's CT12 capsule, it's not a good idea to assume that there is a "go-to" choice based on general consensus, but best to decide what suits your needs and sonic palette...my ears are not yet convinced... PS...there is a also new M7 in the works (can't reveal details yet) and I've been promised an opportunity to beta-test when production samples are available... |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 22, 2014 10:11:50 GMT -6
I think it is just a reflection; like a chandelier in the ceiling the headbaskets come direct from Flea and aren;t cheap doubt there is anything wrong as they are very smeoth and hi quality plating ! I had a couple of follow up chats with shane and he is doing the once over on my build and installing my blue line. he said he thinks blue for vox duties and red for general. I am buying primarily for vox duties and the whole point is to be as close as possible to the original so blue line for me oops until 3 minutes later |
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Post by category5 on Nov 22, 2014 10:14:58 GMT -6
I wouldn't kick either out of bed, but yes. So far I am liking the red a hair more overall. Both have A beautiful "finish" to the sound but yes, I find the red a little fuller in the bottom and less mid forward.
That said, Herbie's tracks seem to be a pretty good marketing tool for the Blueline.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 22, 2014 10:35:54 GMT -6
kcatthedog How long did it take you to get your Blue Line? I emailed, got a response back and they said I would be invoiced when my number comes up. I asked if that email served as my place in line and she said yes...
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 22, 2014 10:42:31 GMT -6
I wouldn't kick either out of bed, but yes. So far I am liking the red a hair more overall. Both have A beautiful "finish" to the sound but yes, I find the red a little fuller in the bottom and less mid forward. That said, Herbie's tracks seem to be a pretty good marketing tool for the Blueline. The Blue suits my voice WAAAY better. I don't need bottom end. I have to stay back off a mic a foot or more to do any good, even this one. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 22, 2014 10:57:28 GMT -6
I Have a bees k7, blueline, redline. In my MK47, the blue has an inexplicable quality( I very much hear that on Herbie's MK) and the clearest vision of them all, it made me forget about everything except how great it sounded, the red had slightly more bottom at the cost of some focus, it lives in a very cool custom schoeps mic for now, and the k7 is in a drawer next to a k6.
In my personal experience, I've found that capsules choices have the biggest effect on the sound of a mic. Of course ymmv
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