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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 26, 2014 15:29:13 GMT -6
Sell them cheap to all of us, we will talk them up and you can double the price for the Gearslutz crowd  |
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Post by wiz on Nov 26, 2014 15:34:35 GMT -6
NO NO NO NO
only make them ONCE and ONLY for those here...
Make em the FAIRCHILD of ADCs
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WOW it looks like FOUND my CAPS button
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cheers
Wiz
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 26, 2014 15:50:19 GMT -6
svart I wouldn't get too far ahead of this, When people see what they're going to be getting, it's a no brainer! Your rig is going to be a second to none, top quality pro rig, you should brag that up, as all of us will, and so will the peeps over at the purple site and other sites when they get wind of it. Consider that anyone who finds their way to something like this is going to have a clue as to whats going on, they may find equivalent prices for compromised pieces of inferior Q, but that will be evident, and they will all but certainly choose yours. I'd also bet dollars to dimes that it will catch on like the RM stuff originally did, but the fact that you won't let the lead and delivery times get out of hand, in conjunction with the packaging and workmanship being of much higher Q, should weigh huge. This kind of piece doesn't fall under typical marketing assumptions, it's too esoteric, so don't doubt it, you've already got almost enough buyers to validate the first run i'd think, and the realities will reveal themselves moving forward. As far a RM's concerned, even if he's the nicest guy in the world, he's burned bridges with many, and that includes me, otherwise i'd have been on the year long waiting list by now, even if he cleans up his act, those problems will always be in the back of peoples minds, as well as written in the annals of the interwebs and revealed upon a simple search.
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Post by LesC on Nov 26, 2014 19:24:40 GMT -6
svart I wouldn't get too far ahead of this, When people see what they're going to be getting, it's a no brainer! Your rig is going to be a second to none, top quality pro rig, you should brag that up, as all of us will, and so will the peeps over at the purple site and other sites when they get wind of it. Consider that anyone who finds their way to something like this is going to have a clue as to whats going on, they may find equivalent prices for compromised pieces of inferior Q, but that will be evident, and they will all but certainly choose yours. I'd also bet dollars to dimes that it will catch on like the RM stuff originally did, but the fact that you won't let the lead and delivery times get out of hand, in conjunction with the packaging and workmanship being of much higher Q, should weigh huge. This kind of piece doesn't fall under typical marketing assumptions, it's too esoteric, so don't doubt it, you've already got almost enough buyers to validate the first run i'd think, and the realities will reveal themselves moving forward. As far a RM's concerned, even if he's the nicest guy in the world, he's burned bridges with many, and that includes me, otherwise i'd have been on the year long waiting list by now, even if he cleans up his act, those problems will always be in the back of peoples minds, as well as written in the annals of the interwebs and revealed upon a simple search. I agree 100%. People are quite willingly paying $3000 for a Forssell ADC, $3000 for a Forssell DAC, and $4500 for Forssell's combined ADDA. There are similar and higher prices for lots of other high-end companies. |
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Post by ericn on Nov 26, 2014 19:46:07 GMT -6
I have said it before, build it right, so that you can support it and keep delivering it, make enough to make it worth your effort and I'm sure it will sell.
RMA probably priced to low bought in large quantities financed it in his VISA and his paying to much for his money to free up cash to pay his VISA so he has to but in quantity to hit his price but he can't because his money costs more than his quantity discount.
Svart I have seen this kill a ton of newbies. That's why I emphasized small runs!
Look as the guy who was one of one of the Nations largest Pro Audio dealers top sales guys for months spent in a COMA! Don't buy the customer, he who wins on price loses when somebody buys his customer for $1! Reward returning customers! You reward loyalty, they stay loyal!
Note I charge others big bucks for that advice, all I want from you is the opertunity to buy a great converter!
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 26, 2014 19:54:42 GMT -6
svart I wouldn't get too far ahead of this, When people see what they're going to be getting, it's a no brainer! Your rig is going to be a second to none, top quality pro rig, you should brag that up, as all of us will, and so will the peeps over at the purple site and other sites when they get wind of it. Consider that anyone who finds their way to something like this is going to have a clue as to whats going on, they may find equivalent prices for compromised pieces of inferior Q, but that will be evident, and they will all but certainly choose yours. I'd also bet dollars to dimes that it will catch on like the RM stuff originally did, but the fact that you won't let the lead and delivery times get out of hand, in conjunction with the packaging and workmanship being of much higher Q, should weigh huge. This kind of piece doesn't fall under typical marketing assumptions, it's too esoteric, so don't doubt it, you've already got almost enough buyers to validate the first run i'd think, and the realities will reveal themselves moving forward. As far a RM's concerned, even if he's the nicest guy in the world, he's burned bridges with many, and that includes me, otherwise i'd have been on the year long waiting list by now, even if he cleans up his act, those problems will always be in the back of peoples minds, as well as written in the annals of the interwebs and revealed upon a simple search. I agree 100%. People are quite willingly paying $3000 for a Forssell ADC, $3000 for a Forssell DAC, and $4500 for Forssell's combined ADDA. There are similar and higher prices for lots of other high-end companies. Of course, they have built up stellar reputations in order to charge that much. I - for one - hope it stays affordable. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 26, 2014 20:25:37 GMT -6
I agree 100%. People are quite willingly paying $3000 for a Forssell ADC, $3000 for a Forssell DAC, and $4500 for Forssell's combined ADDA. There are similar and higher prices for lots of other high-end companies. Of course, they have built up stellar reputations in order to charge that much. I - for one - hope it stays affordable. this is true, but the people who dig a bit deeper start to understand that parts is parts(RM's stuff kinda proved that with it's low price/hi performance extremes), Texas instruments isn't building chips special for Forssell, if it's a proper design(which is childs play for svart considering what he does for a living), there is a point where you reach the ceiling on how good it can be, in this case i believe svart's plan for this, is thee ceiling, which is a tremendous selling point, especially at such an incredible price! I think he's gonna kill it! |
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Post by LesC on Nov 26, 2014 22:37:23 GMT -6
I hope it stays affordable too, but I'd also like Svart to be able to comfortably make a bit of a profit. I just don't think RM needs to be the model, that's all I'm saying. At $100 more, it would still be affordable and it wouldn't matter so much if a better part is a couple of bucks more expensive.
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Post by mca on Nov 29, 2014 0:40:30 GMT -6
mca could probably give you some silk screening tips. He's doing the screening on the Mammoth Cave stuff as far as I know. Sorry for seeing this comment late. Yeah, I can give silk screening tips if you ever need help. I drill all my chassis from myself too. I had a ton of issues with industrial screening at first. I'd screened t-shirts many times before but faceplates proved to be a different ball game. Partially due to my high altitude and extra dry air here in Denver. I clogged and ruined a few screens at first so I can definitely tell you what NOT to do. Went through a few different types of paint/ink before getting it right. Glad I got tagged in this thread because I'm definitely interested in a unit too. I can also help with any other startup questions and advice. My small little line blew up way faster and bigger than ever thought it would and I made my fair share of mistakes trying to tackle and keep up with things. Awesome to see this coming together. I run a separate stereo DAC for mastering and would love to try a new one out in that position. |
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Post by jfoc on Dec 1, 2014 12:28:02 GMT -6
So if you are on the fence, at least say so, I am on the fence. |
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Post by donr on Dec 1, 2014 17:51:08 GMT -6
SVART, I'll buy one AD/DA. Let me know when you need the money.
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Post by lolo on Dec 1, 2014 21:52:45 GMT -6
Sorry Fellas, didn't have time to read through the whole thread. Very interesting stuff. How much for the AD/DA?
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 1, 2014 22:10:33 GMT -6
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Post by lolo on Dec 1, 2014 22:15:28 GMT -6
Dont know how i missed that, but i did. Thanks Tony |
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Post by Guitar on Dec 2, 2014 21:50:01 GMT -6
interested especially in the ADC, but cannot virtually commit right now, but interested as a possibility when they are available
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 4, 2014 15:28:01 GMT -6
Hey svart so current total all in price ADDA is $725 USD, plus shipping , insurance , duties and exchange as the case may be ? will you be accepting paypal payments as replacement insurance is included in its fees which I know costs the seller 3-4 % or checking costs of insurance for about a grand USD ? If it gets lost in mail W/O insurance : buyer is SOL All in for Canada I will need to tack on plus 20-25%. You stateside guys enjoy the efficiency and not getting gouged by the mail service |
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Post by svart on Dec 4, 2014 15:44:50 GMT -6
Hey svart so current total all in price ADDA is $725 USD, plus shipping , insurance , duties and exchange as the case may be ? will you be accepting paypal payments as replacement insurance is included in its fees which I know costs the seller 3-4 % or checking costs of insurance for about a grand USD ? If it gets lost in mail W/O insurance : buyer is SOL All in for Canada I will need to tack on plus 20-25%. You stateside guys enjoy the efficiency and not getting gouged by the mail service Around 800 is the estimate for the hardware anyway. it might end up being more or less, but right now that is probably the ballpark. I haven't added any insurance, shipping, etc to the price. That will be extra and according to the buyer. Some folks don't want insurance even though it's a good thing. Some people want slower shipping or faster shipping, etc. That all affects the rates greatly. When it gets closer to time to take money, I'll put up a website or something that has shipping type info so you can pick and choose your options, much like most other websites. |
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Post by wiz on Dec 4, 2014 15:46:25 GMT -6
Woah.
Last time I heard a number it was around 350 8)
Okay, you are gonna have to take me off your list .. and that price, with international shipping its too steep for me at this point.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by svart on Dec 4, 2014 15:56:18 GMT -6
Woah. Last time I heard a number it was around 350 8) Okay, you are gonna have to take me off your list .. and that price, with international shipping its too steep for me at this point. cheers Wiz That's for the ADC and DAC cards in a single chassis. it's still going to be like 400ish for one or the other. Maybe people are getting confused at what they were getting? This was supposed to be JUST the ADC in a box to replace the RM PCM4222 ADC that people wanted. I got talked into doing a DAC module, and then upgrading all these parts, etc. Perhaps I shouldn't have said anything until it was closer, because I have the feeling that all the wishes and hopes and opinions voiced in the two threads have obfuscated the actual information. You will be able to order: ADC card in a chassis: 400ish$ DAC card in a chassis: 400ish$ ADC and DAC card in a chassis: 800ish$ Make sense? |
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 4, 2014 15:59:53 GMT -6
Woah. Last time I heard a number it was around 350 8) Okay, you are gonna have to take me off your list .. and that price, with international shipping its too steep for me at this point. cheers Wiz it was $375 for the AD side, $350 for the DAC side, for what this is turning out to be, it's worth it IMO, it will live as the AD conversion off my 2 buss, and my monitoring DAC back out. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 4, 2014 16:01:40 GMT -6
Woah. Last time I heard a number it was around 350 8) Okay, you are gonna have to take me off your list .. and that price, with international shipping its too steep for me at this point. cheers Wiz That's for the ADC and DAC cards in a single chassis. it's still going to be like 400ish for one or the other. Maybe people are getting confused at what they were getting? This was supposed to be JUST the ADC in a box to replace the RM PCM4222 ADC that people wanted. I got talked into doing a DAC module, and then upgrading all these parts, etc. Perhaps I shouldn't have said anything until it was closer, because I have the feeling that all the wishes and hopes and opinions voiced in the two threads have obfuscated the actual information. NO!!!, you're doing exactly as you should, i appreciate the upfront nature, and these will garner a speedy rep as "thee shit" man, no worries! |
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Post by wiz on Dec 4, 2014 16:28:27 GMT -6
Woah. Last time I heard a number it was around 350 8) Okay, you are gonna have to take me off your list .. and that price, with international shipping its too steep for me at this point. cheers Wiz That's for the ADC and DAC cards in a single chassis. it's still going to be like 400ish for one or the other. Maybe people are getting confused at what they were getting? This was supposed to be JUST the ADC in a box to replace the RM PCM4222 ADC that people wanted. I got talked into doing a DAC module, and then upgrading all these parts, etc. Perhaps I shouldn't have said anything until it was closer, because I have the feeling that all the wishes and hopes and opinions voiced in the two threads have obfuscated the actual information. You will be able to order: ADC card in a chassis: 400ish$ DAC card in a chassis: 400ish$ ADC and DAC card in a chassis: 800ish$ Make sense? That makes perfect sense. Can I ask one question? If you purchase just he ADC now... is the DAC a daughter card that can be plugged in later? I thought I read that somewhere. Perhaps when you have time, a quick update post that stays at the top of which ever post its relevant in, of updated info and pricing structure... cheers Wiz |
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Post by svart on Dec 4, 2014 16:31:24 GMT -6
That's for the ADC and DAC cards in a single chassis. it's still going to be like 400ish for one or the other. Maybe people are getting confused at what they were getting? This was supposed to be JUST the ADC in a box to replace the RM PCM4222 ADC that people wanted. I got talked into doing a DAC module, and then upgrading all these parts, etc. Perhaps I shouldn't have said anything until it was closer, because I have the feeling that all the wishes and hopes and opinions voiced in the two threads have obfuscated the actual information. You will be able to order: ADC card in a chassis: 400ish$ DAC card in a chassis: 400ish$ ADC and DAC card in a chassis: 800ish$ Make sense? That makes perfect sense. Can I ask one question? If you purchase just he ADC now... is the DAC a daughter card that can be plugged in later? I thought I read that somewhere. Perhaps when you have time, a quick update post that stays at the top of which ever post its relevant in, of updated info and pricing structure... cheers Wiz Yeah, the plan is that the DAC (or ADC) card will be an easy addition to a chassis. The first post of this thread is updated with the primary info as it changes.. |
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Post by wiz on Dec 4, 2014 16:33:41 GMT -6
cool thanks SVART
well, keep me on the list for the ADC. I will get one of those... and grab the DAC card further down the track.
cheers
less confused...
heart rate slowing... slowing... slowing... ahhhh back to normal
cheers
Wiz
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 4, 2014 17:01:36 GMT -6
sorry if I was premature personally I like tony ( meaniing I just agree with him this once  ) am knocked out by the value/quality of this config; for me it will probably replace a burl b2 and a dbox for about 20-25 cents on the dollar. Svart I say you are nailing it dude !! I always understood there were 2 cards each; ballpark 3-350 so 700 ish usd all in but then people asked for some changes so we bumped up against $800 ish usd all in one thing to keep in mind is that many feel the apollo DA is a little weak so you may have a large latent market with all apollo owners for the DA ? |
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) am knocked out by the value/quality of this config; for me it will probably replace a burl b2 and a dbox for about 20-25 cents on the dollar.