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Post by geoff738 on Nov 15, 2014 13:50:55 GMT -6
When I bought center when it was on sale a week or two ago.
I never bought WUP because I had no interest in upgrading the plugs, I'm just a hobbyist, and my Ilok claims the Waves s stuff on there said licence never expires. Well, I guess that's technically true, but given that they were arbitrarily locked, a licence that doesn't expire is still useless if locked.
These were 8 series plugs namely the IR verb, H delay and the Kramer bundle with the tape thingey, Helios eq and Pye comp.
Strangely, I'd upgraded to Mavericks os months ago - no problem. I'd used a 9 series installer before - no prob. This time, WUP'd.
So probably no more Waves for me.
Although I do have a question - If I see they have a sale for less than the WUP price, any reason I can't just buy the plug again?
I have a few more questions, but I gotta run.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 15, 2014 13:55:13 GMT -6
Are you serious? I thought if you didn't buy the WUP, you just couldn't upgrade...There's NO WAY they can make you purchase the plug and then rent it for perpituity...
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Post by drbill on Nov 15, 2014 16:55:17 GMT -6
So probably no more Waves for me. I made that decision about 10 years ago. They have good stuff, but there's so many other great plugins out there without the drama of WAVES. |
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Post by wiz on Nov 15, 2014 17:54:34 GMT -6
I haven't ever paid WUP. I have bought new products. WHATS GONNA HAPPEN TO ME?  I am running the latest versions of waves plugs.. I think at least. Cheers Wiz |
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 15, 2014 18:58:02 GMT -6
i've had waves platinum package since 03, i've wupped it up a couple times, but only when I decided to do so, there is no strong arming or problems i'm aware of, and i've never been gouged.
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Post by svart on Nov 15, 2014 19:17:24 GMT -6
Every time I buy a new waves plug and try to add it's license to the USB dongle, it seems to delete whatever licenses I had on there previously and I have to use the thing that retrieves old licenses.
It's a serious pain doing that, but I've never had a problem retrieving and using licenses from years ago.
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Post by geoff738 on Nov 15, 2014 19:25:28 GMT -6
Every time I buy a new waves plug and try to add it's license to the USB dongle, it seems to delete whatever licenses I had on there previously and I have to use the thing that retrieves old licenses. It's a serious pain doing that, but I've never had a problem retrieving and using licenses from years ago. Ok, will check that out. Thanks! I just assumed it was a v. 8 vs v. 9 thing and that the v.8 stuff wasn't kosher with the latest installer. I'll see where it goes. If anything it gave me an excuse to rant to you guys. The, I'm feeling better already. Have a few more questions/ comments on possible replacements (if I decide to seek replacements - H-eq was the only one I used with much regularity) if the retrieving licences thing doesn't pan out. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by svart on Nov 15, 2014 20:56:51 GMT -6
Every time I buy a new waves plug and try to add it's license to the USB dongle, it seems to delete whatever licenses I had on there previously and I have to use the thing that retrieves old licenses. It's a serious pain doing that, but I've never had a problem retrieving and using licenses from years ago. Ok, will check that out. Thanks! I just assumed it was a v. 8 vs v. 9 thing and that the v.8 stuff wasn't kosher with the latest installer. I'll see where it goes. If anything it gave me an excuse to rant to you guys. The, I'm feeling better already. Have a few more questions/ comments on possible replacements (if I decide to seek replacements - H-eq was the only one I used with much regularity) if the retrieving licences thing doesn't pan out. Cheers, Geoff It's not supposed to happen like that, but it seems to do that to me all the time. |
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Post by littlesicily on Nov 15, 2014 23:52:12 GMT -6
So probably no more Waves for me. I made that decision about 10 years ago. They have good stuff, but there's so many other great plugins out there without the drama of WAVES. yeah, i got out couple years ago after getting my arse WUP'd too many times. mcDSP and others thoughouly satisfying. |
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Post by henge on Nov 16, 2014 7:30:00 GMT -6
Never owned a waves plug because of the wup thingy and haven't suffered for it. There are definitely alternatives that won't wup your ass!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 9:10:06 GMT -6
I have Gold, API and CLA comps. There is so much within these packages that when I read this thread and considered the move, I don't see a replacement.
Softube and Slate are taking over my first choices in a lot of areas and I guess I could use DAW stuff for really basic utilities. But, there is still a lot more that I couldn't leave behind.
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Post by odyssey76 on Nov 16, 2014 12:46:07 GMT -6
I have Gold, API and CLA comps. There is so much within these packages that when I read this thread and considered the move, I don't see a replacement. Softube and Slate are taking over my first choices in a lot of areas and I guess I could use DAW stuff for really basic utilities. But, there is still a lot more that I couldn't leave behind. I totally agree with the Softube and Slate as being some of the best of the best. I used a ton of Waves plugs in school but was never blown away. Don't get me wrong, they are good but there are many alternatives. geoff738 - get in on the IK T Racks group buy. If you signed on now you'd get 3 plugs for the price of 1 with the potential to add 1 or 2 more. I'm also a huge IK fan, they make some great software! |
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Post by geoff738 on Nov 16, 2014 13:52:29 GMT -6
I have Gold, API and CLA comps. There is so much within these packages that when I read this thread and considered the move, I don't see a replacement. Softube and Slate are taking over my first choices in a lot of areas and I guess I could use DAW stuff for really basic utilities. But, there is still a lot more that I couldn't leave behind. I totally agree with the Softube and Slate as being some of the best of the best. I used a ton of Waves plugs in school but was never blown away. Don't get me wrong, they are good but there are many alternatives. geoff738 - get in on the IK T Racks group buy. If you signed on now you'd get 3 plugs for the price of 1 with the potential to add 1 or 2 more. I'm also a huge IK fan, they make some great software! Ok, lets talk about some options folks here would recommend if I replace the Waves. Honestly, I never really loved the IR verb. Maybe I'm just not a convolution guy? I have a couple hardware units - Kurzweil Rumour (my go to for small spaces, rooms, plates). I also have an Ensoniq DP/4 that gets used sometimes as well. I just picked up the recent ITB Eventide one, but have yet to really put it through its paces. Again, seems to be better at small to medium spaces. What would be decent and won't break the bank for larger spaces, larger halls, the Grand Canyon etc. etc. As for the Kramer bundle, used tape a lot when I first got it. After I picked up Slate, the Kramer got used rarely, but more as an effect than anything. Never got the hang of the Helios. But I didn't really give it much of an effort - Haven't really been playing or recording the last two or three years (kid diagnosed with autism, marriage done - been a rough stretch and playing and recording just haven't been priorities). Never really loved the Pye comp on anything I tried it on, but I don't think I have anything else that sounds like it. I did like the H-eq. I don't have much in the way of outboard - just the Avalon 737 which has been loaned to a friend for quite a while. ITB I have Logic's one (so I can get surgical if required) the Waves API 550 which I've only had for a while. Anything else out there that gives a bunch of flavors, sounds good and is relatively inexpensive? Thanks again! Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 15:06:15 GMT -6
speaking openly about replacements, I just picked up the Trident EQ from Softube and will see if it will replace the Waves API, which is my goto. On the comps, I will have to find an FET and Opto that I like to replace the Waves CLA1176/CLA2A. Then there are the Q's that are handy for utilitarian stuff and more importantly, the Supertap and Hdelays. Any ideas? I do see the possibility of the coming Slate virtual rack but it's not out yet.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 16, 2014 15:22:00 GMT -6
speaking openly about replacements, I just picked up the Trident EQ from Softube and will see if it will replace the Waves API, which is my goto. On the comps, I will have to find an FET and Opto that I like to replace the Waves CLA1176/CLA2A. Then there are the Q's that are handy for utilitarian stuff and more importantly, the Supertap and Hdelays. Any ideas? I do see the possibility of the coming Slate virtual rack but it's not out yet. IK Group Buy. API EQ's, Black76, White2A. Boom. |
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Post by odyssey76 on Nov 16, 2014 15:54:52 GMT -6
speaking openly about replacements, I just picked up the Trident EQ from Softube and will see if it will replace the Waves API, which is my goto. On the comps, I will have to find an FET and Opto that I like to replace the Waves CLA1176/CLA2A. Then there are the Q's that are handy for utilitarian stuff and more importantly, the Supertap and Hdelays. Any ideas? I do see the possibility of the coming Slate virtual rack but it's not out yet. IK Group Buy. API EQ's, Black76, White2A. Boom. I agree with every one of these picks. I've used the CLA1176/CLA2A a lot and prefer the IK versions. That Softube Trident EQ is very good also. geoff738 - heartfelt had a recent thread about the Softube TSAR-1 reverb. I demoed it along with Phoenixverb and VVV because I was looking to replace my Relab LX480. I went with the TSAR-1 and have no regrets whatsoever. Reverbs seem to be a very personal taste but I can actually dial in something I like very quickly with the TSAR-1 and it sounds so clean and smooth. Also, Softube is having a 50% off sale and if you buy at JRR you get an additional discount on top of the Softube discount. TSAR-1 ended up costing me $106! Steal at that price. If you have the time you should demo as many Softube and IK plugs as you can because the discounts this month are crazy.  |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 16, 2014 16:25:14 GMT -6
Maybe a UAD satellite would be a good way to go? Their Pultecs, 1176's, LA2's. Ocean Ways can't be topped, at least not yet. Their 1073 with Unison technology is the best preamp plug I've heard yet. I currently use Waves API 60%, and SSL 40%. I was at the UAD demo in Brooklyn last week, and it was stunningly good.
I've had great results with a few companies I know little about, Kush Audio, their Clariphonic saves the day sometimes, A.O.M. (the best Limiter to date), LVC's Phree Phuzz, does what the Fatso does with one knob and a lot less dsp power. Then there's the Slate VBC, which has been indispensable, I use it on the 2 bus on every mix, Sound Toys are really good too, also, I haven't used them yet, but people swear by Fab Filter's plugs.
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Post by geoff738 on Nov 16, 2014 17:00:51 GMT -6
IK Group Buy. API EQ's, Black76, White2A. Boom. I agree with every one of these picks. I've used the CLA1176/CLA2A a lot and prefer the IK versions. That Softube Trident EQ is very good also. geoff738 - heartfelt had a recent thread about the Softube TSAR-1 reverb. I demoed it along with Phoenixverb and VVV because I was looking to replace my Relab LX480. I went with the TSAR-1 and have no regrets whatsoever. Reverbs seem to be a very personal taste but I can actually dial in something I like very quickly with the TSAR-1 and it sounds so clean and smooth. Also, Softube is having a 50% off sale and if you buy at JRR you get an additional discount on top of the Softube discount. TSAR-1 ended up costing me $106! Steal at that price. If you have the time you should demo as many Softube and IK plugs as you can because the discounts this month are crazy. That's a big reason why I'm asking these questions! However, I have the CLA comps and API eq in Waves and those didn't get WUP'd. So feel I'm covered for that stuff for the time being. I will look and see what other stuff Softube (are they the guys that do the CL1?) and IK have to offer. Speaking of the CL1 - what else would be recommended in the opto/ vari-mu side of things? I recall somebody here asking that same question fairly recently. There's the CLA too and a couple by Sknote. Also any decent ITB versions of a 33609? Or a compex? Thanks for all the suggestions so far! Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 17:38:45 GMT -6
Slate's Varimu is really cool.
For whatever reason, the GUI's of the IK stuff keep me from seeing them as quality tools. They just seem a little cartoonish. I know it's about the sound - it's like the website for a company in that it usually (thought my be wrong here) gives an indication.
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Post by henge on Nov 17, 2014 9:12:59 GMT -6
speaking openly about replacements, I just picked up the Trident EQ from Softube and will see if it will replace the Waves API, which is my goto. On the comps, I will have to find an FET and Opto that I like to replace the Waves CLA1176/CLA2A. Then there are the Q's that are handy for utilitarian stuff and more importantly, the Supertap and Hdelays. Any ideas? I do see the possibility of the coming Slate virtual rack but it's not out yet. For the supertap and h delay Echoboy should be an excellent replacement and the new PrimalTap will be killer. For a utilitarian eq replacement I'd suggest MDynamicEQ. It can do anything and does it very well. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 17, 2014 13:07:52 GMT -6
IK Group Buy. API EQ's, Black76, White2A. Boom. I agree with every one of these picks. I've used the CLA1176/CLA2A a lot and prefer the IK versions. That Softube Trident EQ is very good also. geoff738 - heartfelt had a recent thread about the Softube TSAR-1 reverb. I demoed it along with Phoenixverb and VVV because I was looking to replace my Relab LX480. I went with the TSAR-1 and have no regrets whatsoever. Reverbs seem to be a very personal taste but I can actually dial in something I like very quickly with the TSAR-1 and it sounds so clean and smooth. Also, Softube is having a 50% off sale and if you buy at JRR you get an additional discount on top of the Softube discount. TSAR-1 ended up costing me $106! Steal at that price. If you have the time you should demo as many Softube and IK plugs as you can because the discounts this month are crazy. I have the Softube Summit Grand Channel and think it's really nice. EQ and compressor are both pretty smooth and the saturation feature is cool. I'd like to try out the Trident A-Range too. @heartfelt, how are you liking the Trident EQ so far? Much use yet? I have the CLA 1176/LA2A and the IK versions. IMO, the Waves seem a bit more aggressive and have a bit more bite while the IK versions seem bigger/a little thicker. The gain staging with the IK stuff is dumb and always is louder when you turn it on, so you have to dial it in a bit right off the bat, but the sound is good. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 18:02:28 GMT -6
I remember the demo I did when it fest came out. Loved it. But I just got it installed and haven't tweaked yet.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 24, 2014 19:04:47 GMT -6
Are you serious? I thought if you didn't buy the WUP, you just couldn't upgrade...There's NO WAY they can make you purchase the plug and then rent it for perpituity… I am still on OSX 10.06 for this reason they WUP with nearly every OS upgrade. Just do not upgrade the OS and be happy |
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