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Post by delcampo on Nov 28, 2014 13:55:48 GMT -6
Ocean Way is a one trick pony, early room reflections. You can get longer tails out of other verbs but not this one. I'll put it like this, I've yet to hear anything close (including a Bricasti) that does room better than this plugin. Nothing beats live, real room reflections on a recording and this OW won't get you 100% there, but it'll get you 95 and that's way better than anything else I've used for early reflections. Demo it and see what you think. I bet you'll like it. Thanks for the thoughts. Very promising, Will demo. Curious if you have, or have you tried the UAD EMT 250 for small rooms? I'm sure it's not OW but it's provided some nice space around guitars for me in a few cases. |
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Post by ElGato on Nov 28, 2014 20:18:27 GMT -6
Ocean Way is a one trick pony, early room reflections. You can get longer tails out of other verbs but not this one. I'll put it like this, I've yet to hear anything close (including a Bricasti) that does room better than this plugin. Nothing beats live, real room reflections on a recording and this OW won't get you 100% there, but it'll get you 95 and that's way better than anything else I've used for early reflections. Demo it and see what you think. I bet you'll like it. Did you try ValhallaRoom by chance? I like it so far. I've yet to listen the finished mix but it looks promising. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 28, 2014 20:45:11 GMT -6
cowboycoalminer I know you love that Ocean Way plug, but I've demo'd it several times and I just don't hear much difference between it and what I can get in VVV and Altiverb...you tried either one of those?
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Post by jeromemason on Nov 28, 2014 21:17:09 GMT -6
vvv?
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 28, 2014 21:33:49 GMT -6
Valhalla Vintage Verb
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Post by jeromemason on Nov 28, 2014 21:45:29 GMT -6
I think the stock reverb that comes with UAD is absolutely killer. You can get some really good EF with it too. The ambience is great too. I'll have to demo VVV.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 29, 2014 7:36:52 GMT -6
cowboycoalminer I know you love that Ocean Way plug, but I've demo'd it several times and I just don't hear much difference between it and what I can get in VVV and Altiverb...you tried either one of those? I've got VVV yes. The rooms on it are good but OW is a lot better IMO. Haven't tried Altiverb yet but I'd love to. Does Altiverb have a demo? |
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 29, 2014 10:05:44 GMT -6
i usually use the waves Rverb for close relfelctions(not at all bad), i'm planning on demoing the exponential audio stuff this weekend, is there an oceanway reverb out there that's not UAD? I don't really want to get into the UAD stuff over one plug $!(i know it's all good, and i should just bite the bullet 8), cowboys talk about the close reflections in the OW plug has got me intrigued... close reflections are a seriously useful mix weapon imo.
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Post by mulmany on Nov 29, 2014 11:30:48 GMT -6
i usually use the waves Rverb for close relfelctions(not at all bad), i'm planning on demoing the exponential audio stuff this weekend, is there an oceanway reverb out there that's not UAD? I don't really want to get into the UAD stuff over one plug $!(i know it's all good, and i should just bite the bullet 8), cowboys talk about the close reflections in the OW plug has got me intrigued... close reflections are a seriously useful mix weapon imo. I just picked up phoenix verb with the 30% off = no brainer! I needed a super smooth clean verb for the acoustic singer/song writer stuff i mainly record. Started getting annoyed with the grainy crunchy tails of all the other plugs I have. I will let you know what I think. |
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Post by delcampo on Dec 27, 2014 22:59:29 GMT -6
Ocean Way is a one trick pony, early room reflections. You can get longer tails out of other verbs but not this one. I'll put it like this, I've yet to hear anything close (including a Bricasti) that does room better than this plugin. Nothing beats live, real room reflections on a recording and this OW won't get you 100% there, but it'll get you 95 and that's way better than anything else I've used for early reflections. Demo it and see what you think. I bet you'll like it. Demoing and getting what you mean. Very useful. When other small companies & certain talented developers are upping plug in quality for very reasonable prices, there's still a couple reasons to keep the UAD card around imo. This one's seemingly one of them. |
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Post by Randge on Feb 11, 2015 23:29:27 GMT -6
So, I joined Cowboy in the Ocean. He is right, for natural room and atmosphere, the UA Ocean Way plug helps a whole lot in creating a world that the whole band can live in that feels real and unprocessed sounding. I combined it with the 140/250 plates and this spring reverb that I have used for a long time now. It works amazing for enhancing the shimmer on a guitar amp, making a tic tak or baritone guitar bite and shing or giving that old sound of harsh vocal verbs in the 1950's as well. It is priced nice as well. www.genuinesoundware.com/?a=showproduct&b=28R |
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Post by matt on Feb 12, 2015 7:34:23 GMT -6
So, I joined Cowboy in the Ocean. Randy, care to share your favorite settings for OW? I struggle with this plugin. I really like the idea, but satisfaction is elusive. |
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Post by Randge on Feb 12, 2015 9:20:35 GMT -6
I made a room (as a send) for the whole band to get into together and used varying amounts to help place them in their spots in the mix. This plug is intended (reverb mode) as purely location/atmosphere. It isn't a plate style verb and I think it confuses people. When you try it next, set the distances at something nominal, like 1', 8' and 16'. Then add them in to taste for the amount of room ambience you are looking for and dial in some predelay (just a little goes a long way)with the amounts of near, mid and far Mics. Solo the track you are using it on and turn it up so that you are really feeling the room. Then, back it off until you can just hear it when solo'd. Now, play it with your mix and mute it. You should feel it dry up and lose its mix perspective. Unmute it and if it falls back where you want it to go, you are golden. If it doesn't, then play with the room distance some more and find where it needs to be. I personally set up a medium-large room like that and played with the sends a lot to get to know it well. It came together rather quickly for me as to how I will normally use it. It is a subtle plugin that does a lot for 3D feeling atmospheric mixing.
R
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 12, 2015 9:35:25 GMT -6
I agree Randge, I've been hearing cowboy's mixes, and the way he uses the Ocean Way, I was fooled the first time I heard it and asked him where the heck he did that recording, because it sounded like a first class studio ! I'm waiting for the next big sale to grab it. I had other priorities, and missed the $249 sale last month.
For a guy in his living room, this could go a long way toward me getting closer to the sound I'm looking for. That, and a Heritage 73' should do it. I might consider the UAD 1073 too, as I have the Warm Audio ToneBeast preamp and put a John Hardy 990 in one of the opamp slots, but the sound I like most (1073) still eludes me.
Tony recomended a "Red Dot" opamp a while back, but I'm not a DIY kinda guy, and I don't think it's a plug and play opamp.
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Post by Randge on Feb 12, 2015 10:25:51 GMT -6
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Post by Randge on Feb 12, 2015 10:33:25 GMT -6
I did use some minor eq in the master eq area, but it really didn't amount to anything. I was able to get a fast and natural snare hit and the guitar cabs feel like they are in a dense and in a much more open space. The acoustic guitar seemed to spring to live as well. I used very little on fiddle, steel and the vocals, as I has the 140 and 250 plates going to use on them. It was a fairly fast song, so I use a whole lot less verb on those. I will say, using the 140, 250 and the OW plug together sounded very cohesive. It hasn't curbed my want for a Bricasti, but this can get me by till I snag one for a really good deal.
R
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Post by matt on Feb 12, 2015 13:08:24 GMT -6
I will say, using the 140, 250 and the OW plug together sounded very cohesive. It hasn't curbed my want for a Bricasti, but this can get me by till I snag one for a really good deal. Thanks Randy! I really appreciate the info. I think I was using too much OW when I first bought it. I'll try your approach. |
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Post by levon on Feb 13, 2015 1:55:16 GMT -6
I made a room (as a send) for the whole band to get into together and used varying amounts to help place them in their spots in the mix. This plug is intended (reverb mode) as purely location/atmosphere. It isn't a plate style verb and I think it confuses people. When you try it next, set the distances at something nominal, like 1', 8' and 16'. Then add them in to taste for the amount of room ambience you are looking for and dial in some predelay (just a little goes a long way)with the amounts of near, mid and far Mics. Solo the track you are using it on and turn it up so that you are really feeling the room. Then, back it off until you can just hear it when solo'd. Now, play it with your mix and mute it. You should feel it dry up and lose its mix perspective. Unmute it and if it falls back where you want it to go, you are golden. If it doesn't, then play with the room distance some more and find where it needs to be. I personally set up a medium-large room like that and played with the sends a lot to get to know it well. It came together rather quickly for me as to how I will normally use it. It is a subtle plugin that does a lot for 3D feeling atmospheric mixing. R - Randy, are you starting with a preset (and which one, if any) when you 'make a room', or do you build it from scratch? Edit - okay, saw the 'Strings' preset in your next post... |
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Post by lcr on Feb 13, 2015 8:58:49 GMT -6
Cowboy,
Roth or Hagar?
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Post by Randge on Feb 13, 2015 9:07:38 GMT -6
I flipped through the presets till I found one that was close to what I was shooting for and went from there.
R
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 13, 2015 9:35:23 GMT -6
So, I joined Cowboy in the Ocean. He is right, for natural room and atmosphere, the UA Ocean Way plug helps a whole lot in creating a world that the whole band can live in that feels real and unprocessed sounding. I combined it with the 140/250 plates and this spring reverb that I have used for a long time now. It works amazing for enhancing the shimmer on a guitar amp, making a tic tak or baritone guitar bite and shing or giving that old sound of harsh vocal verbs in the 1950's as well. It is priced nice as well. www.genuinesoundware.com/?a=showproduct&b=28R Ahh, yet another sailor on the ocean.. BTW, how Randy describes his use of it above is exactly how I use it. And Randy you may think I'm full of shit but I owned a Bricasti for awhile and pitted them side by side. I ended up selling the Bricasti. I swear I believe this plugin gets us 95% to where we want to go and that without the exuberant cost of the Bricasti. I'm not saying this plug in is better than the Bricasti. Straight up it's not, but when I tacked on the cost vs reward factor, this OW slays it in the end. For room mind you as it's a one trick pony. |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 13, 2015 9:37:28 GMT -6
I'm supposed to say Roth. But that damn Sammy can sang. When he joined up, my melodic bent ear was in extacy.. YMMV of coarse  And I love your AV |
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 13, 2015 10:19:09 GMT -6
dedicated to all who think Roth cant sing?? Pre auto tune, complete with dual tone, octave split, firetruck howls....i'd give my right leg to have this much character and tone in my voice..awesome! Diamond Dave! lol
btw, i have it on pretty good authority that dave used an M49
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 13, 2015 11:44:52 GMT -6
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Post by levon on Feb 13, 2015 12:15:33 GMT -6
I liked VH with Sammy more than with Roth and I loved Roth without VH more than with VH. Makes sense?
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