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Post by RicFoxx on Nov 14, 2014 6:59:09 GMT -6
Hopefully were just reading it wrong...sometimes interpretation is not the intent. You could read it like... we're just hanging out guys being guys type of thing. Anyway...all audio stuff aside, cowboycoalminer is always willing to help, contributes greatly to this (and GS) community and shows poise and solid insight in our community of professional engineers, songwriters, hobbyist and everything in between. When I needed help Cowboy pm'd his # and talked me through my questions. And not only that, I genuinely enjoyed talking about other things (family and beliefs.) I think the lovefest is warranted. On another note, @heartfelt I see that you are a worship leader who writes for worship, do you have a link to any of your work (I didn't find anything on your website?)
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 14, 2014 8:07:08 GMT -6
Man, why do some people think it's just fine to rain on the parade?
I've enjoyed your posts Heartfelt, but I wonder why you didn't just move on to another thread if this one gets under your skin for some reason. Now, instead of us all enjoying the conversation and information, we have to stop and answer your question. I suspect you have enough experience online to recognize trolls and to realize that what might sound like a joke or a fun poke at something if you were speaking to someone personally, can come across quite differently in print.
Though I doubt it, cowboy might begin to feel uncomfortable instead of enjoying the obvious heartfelt appreciation for all his efforts to help those of us still trying to catch up on engineering and music production developments.
Once someone drops a fly in your soup, do you still want to eat it?
So, to answer your question, the reason for this post is that cowboycoalminer is a benchmark of how much one guy with some skills and talent can accomplish in a room in a basement, and he's generous about sharing his process and time. Many of us are singer/songwriters/musicians first, and a few years back, I would never have thought I could come close to what I've done in studios at home in my living room. Cowboy's helped me every step along the way, even though I'm fully capable of getting quality work done by myself, he's managed to attract a number of really fine and talented people to join in and share their experience too. A good atmosphere is important for too many reasons to list.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 14, 2014 8:33:21 GMT -6
Really guys? What's with the love fest? Mike Shipley - I could understand - a little late though. Have you listened to any of the tracks that Cowboy has done? He's doing some pretty high quality work in a little home studio. As I said in the OP, I had a few questions about how he's working hybrid that I wanted to ask him about. Rather than shooting him a PM to discuss, I asked here because a good number of us have hybrid setups in our home studios, and his answers may be helpful to others. The open communication could benefit all of us. As for your snide Mike Shipley comment, asking him the questions (if it was even possible) wouldn't help me. He wasn't a home studio guy, working hybrid with limited gear, that was putting out top shelf stuff. I've spoken with plenty of top tier engineers who have all of the gear at their fingertips, but that's not the type of information I was looking for.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 14, 2014 8:49:37 GMT -6
Really guys? What's with the love fest? Mike Shipley - I could understand - a little late though. As for your snide Mike Shipley comment, asking him the questions (if it was even possible) wouldn't help me. He wasn't a home studio guy, working hybrid with limited gear, that was putting out top shelf stuff. I've spoken with plenty of top tier engineers who have all of the gear at their fingertips, but that's not the type of information I was looking for. Exactly. I've worked in some of the greatest studios in the world, stood on the same spot in Studio B at Electric Ladyland as Jimi Hendrix, using his Marshall 100 to do some tracking. On my first album, done at Plaza Sound, ( built for Toscanini and the NBC Orchestra), I used Radio City Music Hall as a reverb send, I was the last person to record at Bell Sound, right where Buddy Holly stood to do his NY recordings, I've worked alongside some great producers, I've argued with Grammy winning engineers and won the arguments, won a couple of awards myself, played to two people and to 250,000, and with all that, cowboycoalminer's posts have been of more help pointing the way in my attempt to get that kind of quality at home than any other. I'm far from it, but getting there. I only mention these things to make the point that I'm not some wiseass newbie with a $150 interface bought at The Guitar Center trying to tell someone how it's done. Heartfelt's post was in fact disrespectful to me, not just cowboy, and anyone else who's chosen to spend some of their time here.
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Post by swurveman on Nov 14, 2014 9:01:28 GMT -6
I want to add my support for Cowboy. He has consistently participated when I've posted songs for evaluation. If more people did that, we'd have a lot more sharing of ideas which are at least as important as all the gear threads.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 14, 2014 9:35:55 GMT -6
Hi Cowboy, what were the quality's(specifically if you can?) about your new MKU47 that would inspire you to let go of that rather buttery amazing U67 you had? curious minds want to know..? also, how do you take your coffee?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 14, 2014 11:06:31 GMT -6
Ha, I was afraid to ask that question, because I wasn't sure I wanted to know the answer ;-)
Given all the cash you could ask for, I doubt Cowboy would let something that great go, but.. given the situations some of us are in, trying to make champagne on a beer budget, I think I can understand. I am looking forward to hearing more about this.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 14, 2014 11:16:05 GMT -6
Ha, I was afraid to ask that question, because I wasn't sure I wanted to know the answer ;-) Given all the cash you could ask for, I doubt Cowboy would let something that great go, but.. given the situations some of us are in, trying to make champagne on a beer budget, I think I can understand. I am looking forward to hearing more about this. MJB, you must have missed the part where cowboy said "i sold my U67" on some other thread...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 14, 2014 11:31:17 GMT -6
No I didn't miss it, but thanks Tony.
That's why I said if he had all the cash in the world, I doubt he'd let the U67 go, he'd just keep the U67 and the MK47. That's what make this such an interesting question, knowing how superb the U67 was, the MK47 must just be a monster. I now they're different flavors, but clearly, cowboy found the MK47 the keeper.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 12:10:03 GMT -6
Wow. Even as I read my own post, I am convinced no one would believe this but I didn't intend any insult. I think that my history here would demonstrate that.
Regardless of intent or circumstance, I will give no excuse - it was worded rudely - please continue and I look forward to reading more from Cowboy and others.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 14, 2014 12:58:56 GMT -6
I hoped you didn't mean it the way it read Heartfelt, as I've enjoyed your posts. I'm relieved to hear from you and welcome your input here, as usual.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 14, 2014 14:09:21 GMT -6
Yeah, guys the 67 was a great mic but it was too dark for my vocal. Jordan's going off to college and that will be the end of that (I bought it for her vocal). I don't record enough of others to make it worth keeping. However I did turn a bit of a profit on it and the guy I sold it too is overjoyed. Win/Win. He's out near you Tony, (Laguna Beach). The MK 47 is MYYYY mic. Never had anything better on a male vocal, ever (or fiddle or cabs etc). The thing must be dead flat. It's not hyped anywhere. Can't imagine it could get much better, well... jsteiger 's 251 maybe but sadly, he'll never part with it category5 knows what he's talking about and when he recommended it, I knew it was a good buy. I just didn't know how good. BTW, I'm certainly no know it all. I learn as much here as anyone. I have no illusions of grander and wouldn't want it if I could have it. I'm just fine being itty bitty. But I do love this thing of ours. It's a passion that I'll never give up. Love it too much.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 14, 2014 15:54:28 GMT -6
Cowboy -
I have this thing on my balls...what would you suggest?
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 14, 2014 15:54:49 GMT -6
Oh wait - Pro Audio only?
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 14, 2014 15:56:24 GMT -6
Yeah, guys the 67 was a great mic but it was too dark for my vocal. Jordan's going off to college and that will be the end of that Time for another baby!
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 14, 2014 16:14:32 GMT -6
Cowboy - I have this thing on my balls...what would you suggest? Don't scratch...
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Post by RicFoxx on Nov 14, 2014 16:19:38 GMT -6
Cowboy - I have this thing on my balls...what would you suggest? Modify it! Iphone that S**T and put a pic up...Im sure Category5 or Dan can help you through it!
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 14, 2014 16:27:47 GMT -6
Wow. Even as I read my own post, I am convinced no one would believe this but I didn't intend any insult. I think that my history here would demonstrate that. Regardless of intent or circumstance, I will give no excuse - it was worded rudely - please continue and I look forward to reading more from Cowboy and others. Hey Heartfelt, gee ,, that sounds so,,, heartfelt ; I'd say lets all move on seriously, your first comment seemed so out of keeping with how you normally present your self here, I thought man you really got out of the wrong side of bed this morning !!
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 14, 2014 16:41:20 GMT -6
quick digression if anyone is having which diy conflict, max has just finished an authentic recreation of a 67 and chunger has that kit they are going with the passive psu and you can modify the inexpensive chinese psu that you can buy from chunger's site too and has already started the build thread at group diy the kicker is that you can get the original cap still from sennhieser USA and the original tubes and or very good tubes are floating around too ! so an authentic 67 for $1200 ish USD or so cat5 hooked me up with two from some cat in wait for it, bulgravia, no shit ! Attachment Deletedp.s. cowboy swears that Jk stores his NOS tubes in his shorts to keep them warm !
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 14, 2014 18:32:17 GMT -6
oy, don't tempt me kcat.
Cowboy, can you please list your typical signal chain for mastering, and say a little bit about your levels.
I just put Steve Stills' first solo album on, vinyl, no CD garbage. Now, THAT'S reverb, so natural, you feel the players in the room, playing together. I've heard some amazing verbs, the Bricasti, Evolution, Relab, and a few other convolution verbs, and they sound tremendous, but this, it's just different. No wonder these records got under our skin. I'm starting to think I better try to get the Ocean Ways plug sooner than later, because maybe the imitation of the actual recording studio is just closer to natural than my popping on the Relab 480XL Large Room and going wow.
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Post by delcampo on Nov 28, 2014 9:50:40 GMT -6
I bet someone's thinking, "why not just use another reverb with a room algorithm?". I've A/B on the sends going back and forth like this before. Regular verbs don't have the same liveliness. They sound fake. OW sounds the same as a big room. I don't understand how UA does it and I don't care, but I'll take it. Mic replacement mode is a different animal all together. It's hard to work with. It's so accurate that it will produce comb filtering same as real multi placed mics. Nasty business. Probably why most who have tried it didn't find the charm I've found. This mode can be very useful but I wouldn't recommend it for most. Hey sir, with the recent ocean way plug sale pending, I'm considering this purchase. Can you please speak to how it compares to the EMT 250? …that is, If that's one of the "room on a send" options you've compared with. I ask as I can get good results w/ the 250 on a send for room sounds but intrigued w/ the OW have a less than happening tracking room. Of course, I'll demo but since you've been working with OW for a while now, figured I'd throw it out there. Well that, I couldn't resist asking in a thread called ask Cowboy!
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 28, 2014 10:09:56 GMT -6
yee ha !!
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Post by henge on Nov 28, 2014 10:38:37 GMT -6
I'm sure @heartfelt meant no disrespect after reading this thread! He's not THAT guy!lol I'm interested in micing acoustics. Anyone want to chime in on positioning specifically. The room and guitar are good sounding. I'm never satisfied with my acoustic guitar sound...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 28, 2014 11:36:38 GMT -6
What kind of sound do you like best Anton?
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 28, 2014 13:20:17 GMT -6
I bet someone's thinking, "why not just use another reverb with a room algorithm?". I've A/B on the sends going back and forth like this before. Regular verbs don't have the same liveliness. They sound fake. OW sounds the same as a big room. I don't understand how UA does it and I don't care, but I'll take it. Mic replacement mode is a different animal all together. It's hard to work with. It's so accurate that it will produce comb filtering same as real multi placed mics. Nasty business. Probably why most who have tried it didn't find the charm I've found. This mode can be very useful but I wouldn't recommend it for most. Hey sir, with the recent ocean way plug sale pending, I'm considering this purchase. Can you please speak to how it compares to the EMT 250? …that is, If that's one of the "room on a send" options you've compared with. I ask as I can get good results w/ the 250 on a send for room sounds but intrigued w/ the OW have a less than happening tracking room. Of course, I'll demo but since you've been working with OW for a while now, figured I'd throw it out there. Well that, I couldn't resist asking in a thread called ask Cowboy! Ocean Way is a one trick pony, early room reflections. You can get longer tails out of other verbs but not this one. I'll put it like this, I've yet to hear anything close (including a Bricasti) that does room better than this plugin. Nothing beats live, real room reflections on a recording and this OW won't get you 100% there, but it'll get you 95 and that's way better than anything else I've used for early reflections. Demo it and see what you think. I bet you'll like it.
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