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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 11, 2014 17:58:04 GMT -6
Yeah and I was thinking of other pres and compressors with tubes and trannies
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Post by ElGato on Nov 11, 2014 18:00:24 GMT -6
Thermionic Culture Vulture and/or Rooster. I see, I didn't know what they had inside. Thanks. |
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Post by sinasoid on Nov 11, 2014 18:10:10 GMT -6
Thermionic Culture Vulture and/or Rooster. Was my first thought when I saw this. I'm curious to see a comparison between the two units. |
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Post by blackboxanalog on Nov 11, 2014 18:46:53 GMT -6
Thermionic Culture Vulture and/or Rooster. Was my first thought when I saw this. I'm curious to see a comparison between the two units. That's definitely the comparison that comes to mind but they are pretty different. The CV is designed as a distortion box that people happened to like on other things. This is specifically designed for the mix bus (although it works great for other instruments too) and to enhance it beyond just distortion. The HG-2 can be extremely clean and flat which gives you the sound of the transformers and the natural euphonic characteristics of the tubes or it can be driven from very subtly to full blown saturation. It also has the parallel sat circuit with the tilt that lets you select what frequencies get saturated which opens up a huge range of possibilities in terms of tonal shaping and flexibility. The "air" feature is of course another way to add enhancement and the ability to switch between two sets of 12AX7 tubes in the parallel circuit opens up the possibilities even more. Essentially, it's designed to do all of the enhancement tasks you would want on the mix bus. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 11, 2014 19:26:58 GMT -6
Thermionic Culture Vulture and/or Rooster. Was my first thought when I saw this. I'm curious to see a comparison between the two units. If blackboxanalog sends me a demo, I'll put it up against the TC Rooster on the mix buss for an honest shootout. If he let's me keep it though...I'll make sure that you guys hear that it's the best thing since sliced bread. Haha.  Really though, I think the Rooster would be a closer comparison with the ability to just do transformer saturation, add a bit of air via the eq, or tube warmth to full on drive via pentode or triode modes. |
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Post by sinasoid on Nov 11, 2014 19:34:33 GMT -6
Was my first thought when I saw this. I'm curious to see a comparison between the two units. That's definitely the comparison that comes to mind but they are pretty different. The CV is designed as a distortion box that people happened to like on other things. This is specifically designed for the mix bus (although it works great for other instruments too) and to enhance it beyond just distortion. The HG-2 can be extremely clean and flat which gives you the sound of the transformers and the natural euphonic characteristics of the tubes or it can be driven from very subtly to full blown saturation. It also has the parallel sat circuit with the tilt that lets you select what frequencies get saturated which opens up a huge range of possibilities in terms of tonal shaping and flexibility. The "air" feature is of course another way to add enhancement and the ability to switch between two sets of 12AX7 tubes in the parallel circuit opens up the possibilities even more. Essentially, it's designed to do all of the enhancement tasks you would want on the mix bus. Aye. I was quite pleased to see the use of parallel signal processing. I imagine some really neat sounds could be had that aren't achievable on a lot of saturation units available on the market. Neat look, too. |
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Post by jimwilliams on Nov 12, 2014 10:41:26 GMT -6
It must be my age showing but I don't recall any "processing" being done on the 2 mix back before DAW's took over. Outside of strapping a stereo compressor at times, it was the mix that you worked on until it sounded right. It was a New York ad studio and later an SSL thing.
Before the late '80s "real men" doing major label recording avoided compressors and rode faders both off the floor and in the mix. We also patched around as much of the console as we could and people in the shop removed transformers and upgraded parts. The whole "vintage" fad is an endless face palm for those of us who were actually there.
I hear ya, I still have some crap I removed from consoles back then, transformers were the first things to go as we chased audio perfection. Now they are embraced. Then again, I will submit the music was a lot better too. The current situation sort of reminds me of that old 70's sfi-fi movie "Logan's Run". When the lead charactor arrives at a large tech room, he see's the tech running around twisting knobs and stuff. Then he askes: "Why do you keep the old guy around"? "Because he can fix the machines". |
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Post by blackboxanalog on Nov 12, 2014 10:52:16 GMT -6
It's gotten so crazy that plugin manufacturers are adding noise to their plugins!!!!
That said, with studios downsizing, people working without consoles, hybrid and almost entirely ITB, there is a distinct lack of the imperfections and non linearities that our ear loves. It was totally natural to be chasing "perfection" in the analog days and once we got there (or very close) we realized that we had gone too far and lost something along the way.
I think this is exactly why so many people are looking for a way to inject some of the pleasing things that got lost along the way back into their mixes while still maintaining the modern workflow. It's potentially the best of both worlds.
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