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Post by sopwith on Nov 2, 2014 19:38:50 GMT -6
Shannon mentioned he did a Tele AK47 that came out really, really nicely. I know it has a miniature tube...maybe it or the AR51 with one of Shannon's caps would be a really, really good 251 approximation. I might take the plunge. This is exactly what you should do. AK47 is nice to begin with. Your 67'd CV4 and a 251'd AK47 would give you a couple of amazing options. Unless you can find a deal on a vintage copy that needs a lot of work. |
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Post by littlesicily on Nov 2, 2014 19:41:58 GMT -6
I would be surprised if that is the case, John. That thing came in a suitcase in many pieces! R It was not delivered to Shannon in pieces but disassembled for cleaning/repair by the time I bought it. It was "working" when delivered to Shannon…but certainly not in great functional condition. Shannon went way beyond "fixing" it… he breathed new life into it. |
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Post by littlesicily on Nov 2, 2014 19:44:45 GMT -6
I wish that suitcase was mine. Where was this purchased? Fair price? I bought it from an old-timer who had since retired… but he knew what he had here so… sorry, no "and I got this for $500 at a garage sale" story  These are expensive mics and this one required some additional parts and work which wasn't cheap. But… oh so worth it! |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 2, 2014 19:46:56 GMT -6
I wish that suitcase was mine. Where was this purchased? Fair price? I bought it from an old-timer who had since retired… but he knew what he had here so… sorry, no "and I got this for $500 at a garage sale" story These are expensive mics and this one required some additional parts and work which wasn't cheap. But… oh so worth it! So, fair price for its condition. Not a steal, but not top of the market either. |
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Post by sopwith on Nov 2, 2014 19:49:07 GMT -6
I wish that suitcase was mine. Where was this purchased? Fair price? I bought it from an old-timer who had since retired… but he knew what he had here so… sorry, no "and I got this for $500 at a garage sale" story These are expensive mics and this one required some additional parts and work which wasn't cheap. But… oh so worth it! Phenomenal mic and work by sinsay, awesome that you had the determination to see it through! |
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Post by littlesicily on Nov 2, 2014 19:52:43 GMT -6
I bought it from an old-timer who had since retired… but he knew what he had here so… sorry, no "and I got this for $500 at a garage sale" story These are expensive mics and this one required some additional parts and work which wasn't cheap. But… oh so worth it! So, fair price for its condition. Not a steal, but not top of the market either. Let's say I had to sell a boat load of gear to get it. And… I had to put an addition $1000+ more in parts than I originally thought or planned…no fault to Shannon… but these things pop up w/ a mic that's 50+ years old. It caused my heart to skip a few beats along the way… but now it's sheer joy.  |
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Post by littlesicily on Nov 2, 2014 20:08:55 GMT -6
I bought it from an old-timer who had since retired… but he knew what he had here so… sorry, no "and I got this for $500 at a garage sale" story These are expensive mics and this one required some additional parts and work which wasn't cheap. But… oh so worth it! Phenomenal mic and work by sinsay, awesome that you had the determination to see it through! yeah, I'm not loaded, nor do I have 20 of these like McBride… so there was a bit of fear and trepidation involved in this kind of undertaking. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 2, 2014 20:26:40 GMT -6
Shannon mentioned he did a Tele AK47 that came out really, really nicely. I know it has a miniature tube...maybe it or the AR51 with one of Shannon's caps would be a really, really good 251 approximation. I might take the plunge. This is exactly what you should do. AK47 is nice to begin with. Your 67'd CV4 and a 251'd AK47 would give you a couple of amazing options. Unless you can find a deal on a vintage copy that needs a lot of work. Sorry boys, gotta say it, IMO this would be a crazy waste of $! The AK47 is an HT11a mic body(apex 460), the capsule is a center terminated k67 capsule, at $2k, it's about the worst decision you could make if your going to mod something looking for an Elam 251 sound. Any decent DIY'r can build you an electronically accurate Elam 251 clone with a proper edge terminated C12 capsule in the same exact body for about 1/2 the price of the AK47, then you can take the other $1k and apply it toward Shan for the ultimate mad scientist dialed in 251, IMO this combo is the best option out there. |
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Post by sopwith on Nov 2, 2014 20:38:27 GMT -6
This is exactly what you should do. AK47 is nice to begin with. Your 67'd CV4 and a 251'd AK47 would give you a couple of amazing options. Unless you can find a deal on a vintage copy that needs a lot of work. Sorry boys, gotta say it, IMO this would be a crazy waste of $! The AK47 is an HT11a mic body(apex 460), the capsule is a center terminated k67 capsule, at $2k, it's about the worst decision you could make if your going to mod something looking for an Elam 251 sound. Any decent DIY'r can build you an electronically accurate Elam 251 clone with a proper edge terminated C12 capsule in the same exact body for about 1/2 the price of the AK47, then you can take the other $1k and apply it toward Shan for the ultimate mad scientist dialed in 251, IMO this combo is the best option out there. Well you know faarrrr better than I do about these things, and yep the money is probably much better spent on shannon! Is there a non-diy version which would be a good basis to start for this kind of mod? |
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Post by jeromemason on Nov 2, 2014 20:41:36 GMT -6
Sorry boys, gotta say it, IMO this would be a crazy waste of $! The AK47 is an HT11a mic body(apex 460), the capsule is a center terminated k67 capsule, at $2k, it's about the worst decision you could make if your going to mod something looking for an Elam 251 sound. Any decent DIY'r can build you an electronically accurate Elam 251 clone with a proper edge terminated C12 capsule in the same exact body for about 1/2 the price of the AK47, then you can take the other $1k and apply it toward Shan for the ultimate mad scientist dialed in 251, IMO this combo is the best option out there. Well you know faarrrr better than I do about these things, and yep the money is probably much better spent on shannon! Is there a non-diy version which would be a good basis to start for this kind of mod? My advice, buy the matchung kit and have someone build it for you, that's the best place to start. Comes with everything you need to hand it off to Shannon. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 2, 2014 21:38:30 GMT -6
Sorry boys, gotta say it, IMO this would be a crazy waste of $! The AK47 is an HT11a mic body(apex 460), the capsule is a center terminated k67 capsule, at $2k, it's about the worst decision you could make if your going to mod something looking for an Elam 251 sound. Any decent DIY'r can build you an electronically accurate Elam 251 clone with a proper edge terminated C12 capsule in the same exact body for about 1/2 the price of the AK47, then you can take the other $1k and apply it toward Shan for the ultimate mad scientist dialed in 251, IMO this combo is the best option out there. Well you know faarrrr better than I do about these things, and yep the money is probably much better spent on shannon! Is there a non-diy version which would be a good basis to start for this kind of mod?I don't know of one actually, but i agree with Jerome, matachung is a no compromise 251(short of an accurate body) i think the poctop is also?, you should be able to find someone to do it for you here? i don't really want to get into that, but if you can't get one of the other very good diy'rs here to do it for you, i would(ask watchtower, jerome, wintree, cat5, all these guys are great!), if you can find a C12 capsule with good backplates and a compromised skin for cheap, do that, and have Shann do the rest(unless Shan's making the backplates too now?). The combo of this mic, HQ tube, and Shan doing his cap thing, it's gonna be a top tier mic that should sound competitive with the best that's out there imo. |
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Post by kidvybes on Nov 2, 2014 21:47:29 GMT -6
Well you know faarrrr better than I do about these things, and yep the money is probably much better spent on shannon! Is there a non-diy version which would be a good basis to start for this kind of mod?I don't know of one actually, but i agree with Jerome, matachung is a no compromise 251(short of an accurate body) i think the poctop is also?, you should be able to find someone to do it for you here? i don't really want to get into that, but if you can't get one of the other very good diy'rs here to do it for you, i would(ask watchtower, jerome, wintree, cat5, all these guys are great!), if you can find a C12 capsule with good backplates and a compromised skin for cheap, do that, and have Shann do the rest(unless Shan's making the backplates too now?). The combo of this mic, HQ tube, and Shan doing his cap thing, it's gonna be a top tier mic that should sound competitive with the best that's out there imo. ...and when it's all finished you can have Sinsay slap one of these on the side: www.ebay.com/itm/281346496469  Attachments:
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Post by jeromemason on Nov 2, 2014 23:53:25 GMT -6
Well you know faarrrr better than I do about these things, and yep the money is probably much better spent on shannon! Is there a non-diy version which would be a good basis to start for this kind of mod?I don't know of one actually, but i agree with Jerome, matachung is a no compromise 251(short of an accurate body) i think the poctop is also?, you should be able to find someone to do it for you here? i don't really want to get into that, but if you can't get one of the other very good diy'rs here to do it for you, i would(ask watchtower, jerome, wintree, cat5, all these guys are great!), if you can find a C12 capsule with good backplates and a compromised skin for cheap, do that, and have Shann do the rest(unless Shan's making the backplates too now?). The combo of this mic, HQ tube, and Shan doing his cap thing, it's gonna be a top tier mic that should sound competitive with the best that's out there imo. If you needed one built I could do it if you'd like. Just PM me for details and how to order. |
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Post by sopwith on Nov 3, 2014 1:53:17 GMT -6
I don't know of one actually, but i agree with Jerome, matachung is a no compromise 251(short of an accurate body) i think the poctop is also?, you should be able to find someone to do it for you here? i don't really want to get into that, but if you can't get one of the other very good diy'rs here to do it for you, i would(ask watchtower, jerome, wintree, cat5, all these guys are great!), if you can find a C12 capsule with good backplates and a compromised skin for cheap, do that, and have Shann do the rest(unless Shan's making the backplates too now?). The combo of this mic, HQ tube, and Shan doing his cap thing, it's gonna be a top tier mic that should sound competitive with the best that's out there imo. If you needed one built I could do it if you'd like. Just PM me for details and how to order. As much as I'd love to, I have a sinsay'd CV4 on the way and I think that'll do me for the time being! But I'm always interested in what you guys have to say about the quality of different mass produced mics. |
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Post by littlesicily on Nov 3, 2014 10:02:30 GMT -6
Recording a male vocal right now, a guy I've always used my u67 on and was/is a great fit… so much so I wasn't even gonna warm up the 250. But, being the curious soul that I am, I did. Singer was like, "WTH is this?!" Lol… it's getting funny to just wait for the reaction… none have gotten past 1st verse. Haha.
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Post by unit7 on Nov 3, 2014 10:31:02 GMT -6
Recording a male vocal right now, a guy I've always used my u67 on and was/is a great fit… so much so I wasn't even gonna warm up the 250. But, being the curious soul that I am, I did. Singer was like, "WTH is this?!" Lol… it's getting funny to just wait for the reaction… none have gotten past 1st verse. Haha. Wow! Congrats! Microphone envy here. |
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Post by ben on Nov 3, 2014 11:19:11 GMT -6
I think we need to hear some clips now.  |
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Post by littlesicily on Nov 3, 2014 11:24:56 GMT -6
I think we need to hear some clips now. ha.. i'm kinda enjoying building the suspense  |
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Post by watchtower on Nov 3, 2014 11:55:43 GMT -6
Sweet!
I've got a Tim Campbell CT12 on the way right now for a 251E build
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 3, 2014 12:20:49 GMT -6
What's the difference between a 250 and 251? And E and F models? Are their others too?
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 3, 2014 12:25:07 GMT -6
What's the difference between a 250 and 251? And E and F models? Are their others too? I, too, would like to be enlightened. I would love to be "learned" on this, and what is the preferred model (if any) of this camp. |
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Post by littlesicily on Nov 3, 2014 12:31:22 GMT -6
What's the difference between a 250 and 251? And E and F models? Are their others too? 250 missing fig-8 pattern as found on 251. not sure about the E / F diff. On new Tele USA models, the F is scaled down version. See their site for specifics. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 3, 2014 12:37:50 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 3, 2014 15:35:57 GMT -6
Don't think Tele is making the F version anymore, right?
Btw - I've always wanted a 251. The look, the body, the obsession. So, if I know me, there's really no point in doing anything less. just call it the collector in me.
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Post by watchtower on Nov 3, 2014 15:40:45 GMT -6
"E" stands for export, and it means they used a 6072 tube instead of the AC701. It also features slightly different circuit values (I assume to accommodate the different tube). Different coupling cap, plate resistor, cathode resistor, even grid leak resistor value.
And yes, 251 means it has bi-polar/figure 8.
I believe "F" is/was a Telefunken-Elektro thing, not a Telefunken thing.
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