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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 26, 2014 10:22:03 GMT -6
Nothing scientific here, just a which do you prefer? be honest to your own idea of good sound, no consideration for song, music, bands, lyrics(both very talented), just the sonics of these clips. Then post which one IYO is better sounding and why. The tracks are "ashes fire" and "hey 19"? As an example, for me, the things i listen for are front to back depth, side to side width, height top to bottom in freq range, overall articulation within these dimensions and softness too delivery that lends itself towards a pleasant(or not) real life communicative experience... (meaning generally if you're having a conversation with someone, the frequencies leaving their mouth don't grate on your ears(unless its your nagging wife 8), if that makes sense). There is no right or wrong here, I'm very curious as to what others are hearing? (file resolution shouldn't matter with these as they're transcoded from the same source) www.hdtracks.com/ashes-fire-194648 "ashes fire" www.hdtracks.com/gaucho "hey 19" |
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Post by wiz on Oct 26, 2014 16:01:05 GMT -6
I have never really been a big fan of Steely Dan.... I know, shoot me. 8)
I love Ryan Adams, well that album, thats the only one of his I really know... and I think that album was recorded and mixed really nicely, by Glynn Johns.
By a large margin
Steely Dan
I don't like the top end of the Ashes track, I find it irritating.
I love the panning, and the space of the Steely Track, and I love the fact that the top end is more in line with my tonal aesthetic.
I can't stand the artificial top end that is so prevalent in much music.. I like it to sound natural and round
my two cents.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by svart on Oct 27, 2014 6:57:36 GMT -6
Hey nineteen by a large amount too.
For me it's because they use the whole frequency spectrum very well and the soundstage was set up well. Everything is clear and tight in the places you'd expect.
The Ashes Fire song seemed way too "up the middle" for me. Everything was too "raw", I don't find things like that interesting at all. I want wide panning and very hi-fi sound in everything I listen to.
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Post by sinasoid on Oct 27, 2014 10:48:52 GMT -6
That piano in "Ashes Fire" is so off balance. It almost makes me dizzy hearing it. Damn
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Post by Guitar on Oct 27, 2014 11:07:18 GMT -6
steely dan's got a bigger bottom and more stereo, that's what I like
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Post by popmann on Oct 27, 2014 12:33:15 GMT -6
I can't listen to either for completely different reasons.
If I had to pick one, I'd pick the Steely Dan, but silence sounds better than either to me....I'm not sure how valuable that endorsement is.
Change it to "Come Home" and I do a major 180. And yes, the delivery format matters more to a fidelity based recording than to a pre filtered, manipulated, and distorted one. But, the CD sounds great of Come Home....don't you love how the harmony vox come in and it sounds like the women are standing right the fuck OVER THERE behind him? Shivers. Oh wait...that's in the 30sec mp3 clip, right? Cool.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 27, 2014 18:01:30 GMT -6
i feel like the majority on this thread, i picked the Adams song for the comparison thread based on it being the title track of his album, no other reason, i went back and listened to the other tracks, same feelings apply, amongst other lesser reasons, there is a hard edge to the mid/high end that's not appealing to my ears across the whole album.
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Post by Calvin on Oct 28, 2014 4:11:55 GMT -6
I find myself in the majority here. I lean much more towards Hey 19 than the Adams tune. Each tune is just going for completely different things. Hey 19 is big, lush, completely pro, with a mix that only a great professional could execute (after the tune was expertly played and recorded). The Adams has a much more raw attitude about it. As others have noted, it's much more "up the middle", without an attempt at using the whole stereo field, and the high end is much more harsh and irritating as compared to the silky smoothness of the SD tune. Just completely different attitudes and aesthetics, for better or for worse.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 3, 2014 15:42:47 GMT -6
Didn't we determine that streaming on hdtracks wasn't atreaming in HD?
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Post by popmann on Nov 3, 2014 16:03:27 GMT -6
Didn't we determine that streaming on hdtracks wasn't atreaming in HD? Yes.....they stream 44.1 mp3 like everyone else. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 3, 2014 17:20:20 GMT -6
Didn't we determine that streaming on hdtracks wasn't atreaming in HD? yes, but equal parts, one's not going to make one worse than the other, they are stepped on equally, you can bet they would both sound a bunch better if you download the HD files, i've been doing that, and these files sound great, i've been playing around with mastering their masters a bit as well, i'm going to download the first 5 zep albums at 96/24 with all those bonus track later this week i hope, love me some ZEP!!! 8) |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 3, 2014 18:02:48 GMT -6
Oh wow. Is zep on hdtracks?
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 3, 2014 19:07:56 GMT -6
Oh wow. Is zep on hdtracks? yup, they released the first 5 albums @96k/24bit, with a bunch of bonus tracks on the deluxe versions, pretty killer, i cant wait to spend some time with these! |
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Post by popmann on Nov 4, 2014 8:36:34 GMT -6
Here's an analogy for you, tony....because your logic is flawed. Your love of FabFilter tells me you're a visual learner....so, imagine two paints....one--any impressionistic any VanGogh you want....the other a photorealistic painting. Both amazing in their own way as art, right? Doesn't matter which you prefer for his point to be understood.
Now douse them with paint thinner, letting it bleed the oil paint briefly and then deactivate it with water.
Tell me the Van Gogh's appeal is hurt "equally" to the photorealistic painting. It's a blurry mess to start with....that said,it won't change the feeling that you don't like fidelity in a recording, but prefer manipulation and distortion--there's nothing wrong With that....I'm merely trying to help you see that you're asking the wrong question for the answer you seek.
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