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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 20, 2014 13:42:27 GMT -6
Hey All, I was asking about inexpensive treatment last week, so I figure I'll expand a bit now. I took some dimensions of my room, made a Google Sketchup, a quick photoshop guide of the dimensions, and a quick guess on treatment (stuff in blue in the "potential" jpeg). I'm not really sure what to do about the dormer or the opening to the stairs. Slanted ceiling/wall has me wondering too. Not sure if anyone's really interested, but figure it can't hurt to ask for some thoughts. Anything and all is appreciated! See attached pics... |
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Post by svart on Oct 20, 2014 14:22:08 GMT -6
 Here's my thought. You are going to have to rotate your setup. Having that slope is going to kill you if you have it on one side, no matter what you do to the room. Bass traps in the corners, preferably in every corner. Going to need significant absorption on the slope walls and above the mixer and panels at first reflection point on the walls and one behind you. I'd also go for a cloud above the drums and amps. I'm assuming this is in a converted attic space/bonus room kind of setup, so the ceiling isn't going to be very high. you should ultimately deaden as much ceiling as possible if it's 8ft or less. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 20, 2014 15:12:34 GMT -6
Yep svart, slope blows, I didn't think to put the slope behind the speakers. Won't having a wall on one side and open space on the other be as big of an issue as having the slope on one side? If I do the slope behind the speakers, like you said here, should I put up a gobo to the right of the console to kind of close in the room? Also, the only tracking that I do is the occasional acoustic and or vocal or close mic'd amp and mixing is the real priority. |
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Post by svart on Oct 20, 2014 15:35:02 GMT -6
Yep svart, slope blows, I didn't think to put the slope behind the speakers. Won't having a wall on one side and open space on the other be as big of an issue as having the slope on one side? If I do the slope behind the speakers, like you said here, should I put up a gobo to the right of the console to kind of close in the room? Also, the only tracking that I do is the occasional acoustic and or vocal or close mic'd amp and mixing is the real priority. Yeah it's still a tough call. A gobo could be a good option, especially on wheels or something so you can move it around, and possibly block off the amps a bit more. Your room has some crazy acoustics to work out with all the corners and things. I guess work on corners first since bass builds in corners, and you have a lot of them! Then work on reflection points and then deaden the sloped walls and ceiling. |
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Post by svart on Oct 20, 2014 15:36:07 GMT -6
Also, all this gets worse the louder you listen. if you listen softly, the treatment matters less, but is still important.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 20, 2014 15:45:11 GMT -6
Also, all this gets worse the louder you listen. if you listen softly, the treatment matters less, but is still important. Yep. I always keep my levels in check, which is helpful. No loud monitoring or taking. |
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Post by winetree on Oct 20, 2014 15:49:38 GMT -6
Yep svart, slope blows, I didn't think to put the slope behind the speakers. Won't having a wall on one side and open space on the other be as big of an issue as having the slope on one side? If I do the slope behind the speakers, like you said here, should I put up a gobo to the right of the console to kind of close in the room? Also, the only tracking that I do is the occasional acoustic and or vocal or close mic'd amp and mixing is the real priority. Yeah it's still a tough call. A gobo could be a good option, especially on wheels or something so you can move it around, and possibly block off the amps a bit more. Your room has some crazy acoustics to work out with all the corners and things. I guess work on corners first since bass builds in corners, and you have a lot of them! Then work on reflection points and then deaden the sloped walls and ceiling. Could you build a wall on the right side to the end of the console, where you now want to put the gobo. that would help seperate you from the drums. That way you could put a bass trap in the corner behind you right speaker too. That window on the left looks like a first reflection point and if it is, will have to baffled. The wall would allow you to baffle the right side also. YMO |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 20, 2014 16:00:14 GMT -6
Yeah it's still a tough call. A gobo could be a good option, especially on wheels or something so you can move it around, and possibly block off the amps a bit more. Your room has some crazy acoustics to work out with all the corners and things. I guess work on corners first since bass builds in corners, and you have a lot of them! Then work on reflection points and then deaden the sloped walls and ceiling. Could you build a wall on the right side to the end of the console, where you now want to put the gobo. that would help seperate you from the drums. That way you could put a bass trap in the corner behind you right speaker too. That window on the left looks like a first reflection point and if it is, will have to baffled. The wall would allow you to baffle the right side also. YMO The drums are electric kit, so I don't need isolation. Also, not interested in adding permanent walls. Looking more short term than long. |
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Post by RicFoxx on Oct 20, 2014 16:54:20 GMT -6
What Svart said...take care of corners first is what Ive been told by some talented acousticians!!!
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 20, 2014 17:20:51 GMT -6
My 2 cents, kill the close wall behind and to the left where the door is(attached pic), it's too close 1st reflect point to your seat position, the slanted ceiling to wall is going to be a huge collector of bass, i'd make deeeeeeeep traps all along the base of that wall, and kill the entire ceiling, that room will sound more lopsided as the spl's increase at the seat position, the best defense against this shape is monitoring at low volume like svart said. Dont be afraid to run brown noise/white noise/pink noise, and move your head around the room, and into corners to see where you start to really build and/or boom(i bet the corner floor slope wall), and look for nulls as well, for whatever reason, i've had good success trapping in those areas i found problems.   |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 20, 2014 18:09:51 GMT -6
My 2 cents, kill the close wall behind and to the left where the door is(attached pic), it's too close 1st reflect point to your seat position, the slanted ceiling to wall is going to be a huge collector of bass, i'd make deeeeeeeep traps all along the base of that wall, and kill the entire ceiling, that room will sound more lopsided as the spl's increase at the seat position, the best defense against this shape is monitoring at low volume like svart said. Dont be afraid to run brown noise/white noise/pink noise, and move your head around the room, and into corners to see where you start to really build and/or boom(i bet the corner floor slope wall), and look for nulls as well, for whatever reason, i've had good success trapping in those areas i found problems. View AttachmentView AttachmentSo you think I'm better off positioning where I originally had it (back wall against windows) is better than with the monitors against the slant like svart posted? |
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 20, 2014 18:25:43 GMT -6
My 2 cents, kill the close wall behind and to the left where the door is(attached pic), it's too close 1st reflect point to your seat position, the slanted ceiling to wall is going to be a huge collector of bass, i'd make deeeeeeeep traps all along the base of that wall, and kill the entire ceiling, that room will sound more lopsided as the spl's increase at the seat position, the best defense against this shape is monitoring at low volume like svart said. Dont be afraid to run brown noise/white noise/pink noise, and move your head around the room, and into corners to see where you start to really build and/or boom(i bet the corner floor slope wall), and look for nulls as well, for whatever reason, i've had good success trapping in those areas i found problems. So you think I'm better off positioning where I originally had it (back wall against windows) is better than with the monitors against the slant like svart posted? actually, i think facing the wall with the door on it would be best, then your back wall reflections would be directed to the floor. It's all about what's going to lay out the most comfy for you, there are going to be problems with any config in that space, u'll just have to deal with em. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 20, 2014 18:36:52 GMT -6
So you think I'm better off positioning where I originally had it (back wall against windows) is better than with the monitors against the slant like svart posted? actually, i think facing the wall with the door on it would be best, then your back wall reflections would be directed to the floor. It's all about what's going to lay out the most comfy for you, there are going to be problems with any config in that space, u'll just have to deal with em. #truth. If I could block that door, I agree that it would be the best situation, but I need the closet. I think svarts idea might week best for ergonomics. I'm going to start swinging some stuff around and see how it feels. So in terms of trapping, just load up. Corners first, slopes, ceiling, and reflections. |
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Post by jeromemason on Oct 20, 2014 22:35:29 GMT -6
If your desk is under that slope it'll act as a compression ceiling, I had to build one into my room but if you treat it for reflections you'll have it naturally. Pretty much the way Svart laid it out is how I would do it if it were me.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 20, 2014 22:50:32 GMT -6
If your desk is under that slope it'll act as a compression ceiling, I had to build one into my room but if you treat it for reflections you'll have it naturally. Pretty much the way Svart laid it out is how I would do it if it were me. If i remember correctly, low front/high back, is expansion ceiling, right? I think it's a little to steep for either, i think it would reflect wrap around energy more directly back to you and potentially be more problematic than a flat front wall/ceiling? |
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Post by jeromemason on Oct 20, 2014 23:44:54 GMT -6
If your desk is under that slope it'll act as a compression ceiling, I had to build one into my room but if you treat it for reflections you'll have it naturally. Pretty much the way Svart laid it out is how I would do it if it were me. If i remember correctly, low front/high back, is expansion ceiling, right? I think it's a little to steep for either, i think it would reflect wrap around energy more directly back to you and potentially be more problematic than a flat front wall/ceiling? I'm pretty sure low to high is compression, I basically modeled the way my room was after the way we had things in the studio when I was there. But, you're right, it could be too steep, without looking at it I'm not sure. Mine is somewhat subtle, my ceilings are 9' and my drop down is at 7' and runs a span of about 5' long back up to 9'. For me it helps with the focus of the sound, before I put that in it didn't feel right. But like you said, his might be too steep to do that with. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 21, 2014 22:30:40 GMT -6
If i remember correctly, low front/high back, is expansion ceiling, right? I think it's a little to steep for either, i think it would reflect wrap around energy more directly back to you and potentially be more problematic than a flat front wall/ceiling? , I basically modeled the way my room was after the way we had things in the studio when I was there. But, you're right, it could be too steep, without looking at it I'm not sure. Mine is somewhat subtle, my ceilings are 9' and my drop down is at 7' and runs a span of about 5' long back up to 9'. For me it helps with the focus of the sound, before I put that in it didn't feel right. But like you said, his might be too steep to do that with. |
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Post by jeromemason on Oct 22, 2014 0:52:52 GMT -6
Lol well I stand corrected, I just knew that from low to high it made my room sound much better. So it looks like Jessie has a natural "expansion" ceiling depending on the angle, maybe you could use it for that. I do like the way Svart laid out your room, seems like that would be best.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 22, 2014 5:41:52 GMT -6
Lol well I stand corrected, I just knew that from low to high it made my room sound much better. So it looks like Jessie has a natural "expansion" ceiling depending on the angle, maybe you could use it for that. I do like the way Svart laid out your room, seems like that would be best. I think my ceilings are too low to get any real benefit. I started setting up the way svart suggested the other night though. |
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