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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 16, 2014 11:10:58 GMT -6
What's the best source for inexpensive acoustic treatment? DIY significantly cheaper right? This GIK stuff is $60/board. www.gikacoustics.com/product/gik-acoustics-242-acoustic-panel/These Roxul Rockboard 80 boards look pretty inexpensive. ~$110 shipped for 6 boards, but then you gotta buy the burlap (4 yards @ $6) , and glue ($15/can)? This will put me at ~$25/ panel? Is this stuff rigid? Just wrap it in the burlap or does it need a frame too? Is this thick enough? Do you need 4"? www.atsacoustics.com/roxul-rockboard-80.html~What about bass traps and stuff for corners? I have probably the worst shaped room ever, with low ceilings, sloped wall, cut out for a window, staircase, etc. Just trying to get a sense of what kind of dough I'm looking at coughing up to do it right rather than just half assed with cheapo auralex.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 16, 2014 11:39:29 GMT -6
Jess, do u have google hangouts and a web cam? If u want, we can connect online later this eve, or tmrrw and I'll show u a bunch of really good stuff I did on the cheap with great function and pro looking results.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 16, 2014 11:43:38 GMT -6
Jess, do u have google hangouts and a web cam? If u want, we can connect online later this eve, or tmrrw and I'll show u a bunch of really good stuff I did on the cheap with great function and pro looking results. Yep, not sure what my schedule is like, but that would be cool. Thanks man.
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Post by svart on Oct 16, 2014 12:35:52 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 16, 2014 12:39:38 GMT -6
These look great. How do you get the batts from falling down/sagging? Do you staple it to the frame? Or does the burlap hold it in place well enough? This stuff is limp right? Also, do I want to trap all my corners? Is that the best way to go about things?
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Post by svart on Oct 16, 2014 12:43:34 GMT -6
Also, I have panels made from rockboard 60 (slightly lighter and more extended high absorption) and all I did was buy a roll of on-sale burlap from an online fabric store (I think it was more like 2-3$ a yard in quantity). ATS also sells 3$ clearance burlap too, which is better quality overall.. www.atsacoustics.com/lightweight-burlap-fabric.htmlOverall I think the panels should be RB60 and 3$ burlap, which with shipping and tax comes in right around 18-20$ per panel. Spray glue can be bought at Lowes or HD for cheaper than at ATS. Not bad.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 16, 2014 12:45:49 GMT -6
Also, I have panels made from rockboard 60 (slightly lighter and more extended high absorption) and all I did was buy a roll of on-sale burlap from an online fabric store (I think it was more like 2-3$ a yard in quantity). ATS also sells 3$ clearance burlap too, which is better quality overall.. www.atsacoustics.com/lightweight-burlap-fabric.htmlOverall I think the panels should be RB60 and 3$ burlap, which with shipping and tax comes in right around 18-20$ per panel. Spray glue can be bought at Lowes or HD for cheaper than at ATS. Not bad. So the RB60 over the 80? Those are rigid and don't require a frame right? Just spray some glue and wrap with burlap?
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Post by svart on Oct 16, 2014 12:49:14 GMT -6
These look great. How do you get the batts from falling down/sagging? Do you staple it to the frame? Or does the burlap hold it in place well enough? This stuff is limp right? Also, do I want to trap all my corners? Is that the best way to go about things? Check this out.. I bought burlap (or you can use cheap porch screen) from the local fabric store for super cheap (it's poor quality but works on the backs of these things). The rockwool isn't completely limp like fiberglass batts, but it's not going to support any weight. I feel that trapping corners is mandatory, especially in the room where you mic things up. You can see all my corners trapped:
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Post by svart on Oct 16, 2014 12:49:51 GMT -6
Also, I have panels made from rockboard 60 (slightly lighter and more extended high absorption) and all I did was buy a roll of on-sale burlap from an online fabric store (I think it was more like 2-3$ a yard in quantity). ATS also sells 3$ clearance burlap too, which is better quality overall.. www.atsacoustics.com/lightweight-burlap-fabric.htmlOverall I think the panels should be RB60 and 3$ burlap, which with shipping and tax comes in right around 18-20$ per panel. Spray glue can be bought at Lowes or HD for cheaper than at ATS. Not bad. So the RB60 over the 80? Those are rigid and don't require a frame right? Just spray some glue and wrap with burlap? Yep, that's it. I'll take some pics of mine and post them up to show you how I did it. Soft batts will absorb more highs than boards that are more dense. It's a trade off. RB 60 is kind of the middle. I prefer using more soft batts than fewer hard boards. Testing in my room, I felt that deeper soft bass traps worked better than the denser panels.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 16, 2014 13:07:27 GMT -6
Softer works better with depth, rigid works better with shallow applications, it's all about gassing properties.
svarts stuff is cool!
u also cannot over trap, especially in a smallish room.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 16, 2014 13:08:06 GMT -6
Oh, and deeper is definitely way better!
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Post by mdmitch2 on Oct 16, 2014 13:14:41 GMT -6
I used this guide when I made mine (I'm no expert, but I think it's good to have an air gap behind the panel, which this design includes). www.readyacoustics.com/DIY-BASS-TRAPS-MADE-EASY.pdfI wasn't happy with the smushed edges that I ended up with on the first one that I made, so I bought some drywall corner bead to make a front frame that just rests in place, and is secured by the fabric. The corner bead is riveted together (very cheap and easy to do). This gave the panels a nice professional look and matched my GIK panels perfectly. All of the panels in the drum cloud pic were made this way. By the way, I used Knauf Ecose from atsacoustics. I bought fabric on the cheap from Joann's or Hancocks, I can't remember. They always have coupons readily available for pretty big discounts. www.treehousenc.com/studio/?page_id=27I can provide more details on the corner bead construction if you're interested.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 16, 2014 13:15:10 GMT -6
How is the corning? That's what's normally recommended right? Is the 2" 703 worthwhile? I found a guy on CL 5 minutes from work selling panels. I asked for details and he said they're Corning...I'm checking again to find out if they're the 2" 703 or something else... providence.craigslist.org/msg/4683465539.htmlCan't over trap right? So, if I stuffed 12 of these into my room and added a few bass traps, I could be cool?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 16, 2014 13:18:56 GMT -6
How is the corning? That's what's normally recommended right? Is the 2" 703 worthwhile? I found a guy on CL 5 minutes from work selling panels. I asked for details and he said they're Corning...I'm checking again to find out if they're the 2" 703 or something else... providence.craigslist.org/msg/4683465539.htmlCan't over trap right? So, if I stuffed 12 of these into my room and added a few bass traps, I could be cool? 2" Corning with feet mounted on the back corners which give 1/2" of clearance from the wall.
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Post by svart on Oct 16, 2014 13:23:06 GMT -6
Rockboard 60 definitely gives a nice sharp edge as long as you don't crush it. It's "harder" than 703/705. If you use rockboard, you won't need to support the edges with anything. ATS sells these: www.atsacoustics.com/item--Rotofast-Snap-On-Anchors--rotofast.htmlWhich I used, and they are pretty nice. Trying to hang rockboard with anything else doesn't work nearly as well. Those panels look like they are just rockboard that's covered, much like I did, although it looks like they didn't spray glue the large surface based on those wrinkles.
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Post by jeromemason on Oct 16, 2014 13:57:33 GMT -6
Hey Jessie if you can find a local A/C supply store they sell what is basically 703 FRK in 4'x10' boards for about $60. The acoustics are almost identical and it's wayyyy cheaper. Also, if you buy a box of it they'll cut you a deal. I paid like $150 for a box of 4 boards. Certainteed makes a version and owens corning makes a version, but the coefficients are very close to 703, in fact, it's so cheap you can double them up and get better results and still be paying about half the price. If you don't like the foil you can just pull it off, but keeping it on improves the absorption across the whole spectrum. Just find an ac supply store, give them a call, and ask how much their 2" duct board is per sheet, then how much for a case.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 16, 2014 13:58:37 GMT -6
Any piece thats off the wall a bit is more effective than on the wall, that said, youd be better off with three inches on the wall, than 2" with a gap 1" off the wall...if that makes sense.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 16, 2014 14:02:23 GMT -6
If I grab these 12, 2" 703 panels from the guy on craigslist, would that be a bad move? Could I just double a couple of these pre made panels in spots to make them 4"? @$15 each and not having to do any work, they're pretty tempting.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Oct 16, 2014 14:19:31 GMT -6
If I grab these 12, 2" 703 panels from the guy on craigslist, would that be a bad move? Could I just double a couple of these pre made panels in spots to make them 4"? @$15 each and not having to do any work, they're pretty tempting. I would just get em -- you can always re-purpose them later if need be. Also, talk him down a bit! Most people don't expect to get what they're asking, and IME acoustic treatment is a hard sell on CL.
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Post by jeromemason on Oct 16, 2014 14:38:17 GMT -6
If I grab these 12, 2" 703 panels from the guy on craigslist, would that be a bad move? Could I just double a couple of these pre made panels in spots to make them 4"? @$15 each and not having to do any work, they're pretty tempting. Yea I'd offer a bit lower if it were me. Assuming you take the whole lot it's not like he's going to say no, he doesn't have anymore use for them and he'll take lower. You might even offer a lower price and he'd take it.
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Post by WKG on Oct 17, 2014 12:49:02 GMT -6
I purchased some pre-fitted microsuede covers a while back and used rigid fiberglass to fill them. Looks like the dealer is kaput on that now. Recently I ordered several from Dan Morrell here: mixmasteredacoustics.com/He did several custom sizes for me including 2' X 6' X 4" panels on stands that I use as gobos. Lots of options and fair pricing. The pic on his website is actually my room.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 17, 2014 12:56:49 GMT -6
I purchased some pre-fitted microsuede covers a while back and used rigid fiberglass to fill them. Looks like the dealer is kaput on that now. Recently I ordered several from Dan Morrell here: mixmasteredacoustics.com/He did several custom sizes for me including 2' X 6' X 4" panels on stands that I use as gobos. Lots of options and fair pricing. The pic on his website is actually my room. cool!
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Post by jsteiger on Oct 17, 2014 16:09:24 GMT -6
Jeff Hedback does remote room tuning. I have not done this with him but many have including BradM. He is very reasonable and an amazing acoustician. www.hedbackdesignedacoustics.com/ Maybe Brad can chime and let us know how the experience went? There is a thread over on the purple site about Brad's room tuning but who would want to go there?? Jeff is in the midst of a full blown ground up design for me right now. Every time I talk to him, I am impressed more and more. Before you discount it, I would suggest talking with him to get an idea on the cost. It may surprise you....in a good way.
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