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Post by wiz on Oct 10, 2014 18:42:41 GMT -6
my ada8000 does smux.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 20:08:56 GMT -6
Wiz, you got my attention with this sentence... please tell me s.t. about how you use this.... BR, Martin
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 21:22:49 GMT -6
Grab a couple of 192's. Get 'em modded if you want to. Made plenty of records.
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Post by popmann on Oct 10, 2014 21:23:39 GMT -6
But does it have two ports to get 8x8 over SMUX? I mean, I find most ADAT ports support it, but an 8x8 needs 4 ports to carry 8ch in both directions. UA deserves points for this on the Apollo. The new MOTU 16a has 4 ports....If not, I could add 4 channels to my Multiface--which is actually not a bad idea--get some $99 mixer summing that beats a DAW action! 8 is just too limited, IME--it helps, but it's not enough to give up recall for, I don't think. But, with the ability to bring the kick, snare, bass, and lead vocal out in mono...probably would be--since the center channel imaging is the biggest difference, IME.
But, one also needs to be careful mixing and matching IO for a real time feed. At least make sure all the drum MICS are on the same interface. Different DACs will have different latency--an irrelevant detail when using all the same brand, or addressing hardware inserts with an app like Cubase that has a "per device" compensation offset parameter--but, feeding them all live at once to one summing device--not a huge deal, just something to be aware of and not split up multimic'd stems.
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Post by popmann on Oct 10, 2014 21:28:45 GMT -6
You can't USE 192s without an HD system to connect them to. They aren't converter boxes really--they proprietary interfaces that marry to HD cards. That puts them way beyond the $3k he could buy a thunderbolt Lynx for. And he needs TB (or technically just not PCIe cards--so, he'd have to buy an HD Native TB which Avid requires you buy an IO with--which ends up at about $7k, if memory serves. He does get the HD software out of the deal--but, he'd WANT the new IO because that's where they put the FPGA that does the cue mixing-192s will just work as ADA boxes with a new system--they counted on a TDM mix/core card for mix duties.
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Post by ericn on Oct 10, 2014 21:35:14 GMT -6
But does it have two ports to get 8x8 over SMUX? I mean, I find most ADAT ports support it, but an 8x8 needs 4 ports to carry 8ch in both directions. UA deserves points for this on the Apollo. The new MOTU 16a has 4 ports....If not, I could add 4 channels to my Multiface--which is actually not a bad idea--get some $99 mixer summing that beats a DAW action! 8 is just too limited, IME--it helps, but it's not enough to give up recall for, I don't think. But, with the ability to bring the kick, snare, bass, and lead vocal out in mono...probably would be--since the center channel imaging is the biggest difference, IME. But, one also needs to be careful mixing and matching IO for a real time feed. At least make sure all the drum MICS are on the same interface. Different DACs will have different latency--an irrelevant detail when using all the same brand, or addressing hardware inserts with an app like Cubase that has a "per device" compensation offset parameter--but, feeding them all live at once to one summing device--not a huge deal, just something to be aware of and not split up multimic'd stems. Let me say this Lughtpipe is a really crappy interface! I was so happy and noticed a huge improvement when I went from Lughtpipe to AES! With all the MADI and DANTE stuff there is no reason to go Lightpipe any more !
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Post by wiz on Oct 11, 2014 2:28:36 GMT -6
I actually pretty much use mine to just run a set of VU meters.
I think the ADA8000 sounds okay. Certainly punches above its weight.
However, the caps in it are underrated in the PSU.
Mine, which I got second hand, was starting to dim a bit on the LEDs and then went all together. I looked inside , saw some bulging caps and replaced em.. all good again. I used higher ratings though.
You could get 4 audio ins and outs of it at 88 and 96.
Handy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 7:18:54 GMT -6
Ah - Thanks Popmann.
Echo isn't bad. i've had smaller units and know peeps who have used the 12's and swear by them.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 11, 2014 7:38:44 GMT -6
I imagine that the converters that I'm currently using in my Midas are very similar to the Behringer, if not the same,
So, if it comes to it, I could stick the Midas in the corner of the room and take the direct outs into the Bustard. It would still be taking up real estate, but I could keep it out of the way. I just feel like a conversion upgrade would be a useful move for ergonomics as well as sonics. Maybe not. Could all be snake oil. The only real worry with the Midas is that it only does 48k. Having the option for higher would help futureproof.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 8:33:03 GMT -6
I think the ADA8000 sounds okay. Certainly punches above its weight. You could get 4 audio ins and outs of it at 88 and 96. Handy. Hm, since they are only rated at single speed per specs, how do you do this, Wiz? The internal clock is single speed only, so i guess you clock it to a double speed clock externally? Do you clock to wordclock or thru ADAT clocking? I am totally surprised by your statements, i have two of them that i use only very occasionally, and never heard of this. I know the converter chips can do double speed, but i never heard that you can clock the whole unit higher speed and really get use of this....! Well - at 48kHz the DAC part is pretty ok, and there is nothing *really* wrong even with the pre's, i used them for live recording years ago with pretty good results, now they sit mostly on the shelf. The detented pots bothered me most, to be honest...
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Post by mdmitch2 on Oct 11, 2014 14:39:35 GMT -6
Alphalink ended up going for $1075 -- great deal!!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 11, 2014 14:43:24 GMT -6
Alphalink ended up going for $1075 -- great deal!! I bid, but lost. Couldn't swing more.
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Post by wiz on Oct 11, 2014 14:48:05 GMT -6
I think the ADA8000 sounds okay. Certainly punches above its weight. You could get 4 audio ins and outs of it at 88 and 96. Handy. Hm, since they are only rated at single speed per specs, how do you do this, Wiz? The internal clock is single speed only, so i guess you clock it to a double speed clock externally? Do you clock to wordclock or thru ADAT clocking? I am totally surprised by your statements, i have two of them that i use only very occasionally, and never heard of this. I know the converter chips can do double speed, but i never heard that you can clock the whole unit higher speed and really get use of this....! Well - at 48kHz the DAC part is pretty ok, and there is nothing *really* wrong even with the pre's, i used them for live recording years ago with pretty good results, now they sit mostly on the shelf. The detented pots bothered me most, to be honest... Clock via ADAT Its been an undocumented feature. I actually owned a couple of these in the past, and had sold them, then bought the one I have now as I needed some extra outputs to run a set of VUs and set up external headphone mixes sort of thing. I had forgotten completely about their ability to SMUX because I had been working at 44.1khz forever and a day. I had made the jump to 96Khz when I got my RME UCX , and it only has 6 outs, 2 of which are tied up with monitors. I wanted to use the other 4 for critical audio reamping duties, and was looking for a spdif to analog convertor I could hang off the UCX to drive the VUs. I asked on another forum, and a bloke reminded me that the ADA8000 does SMUX. Sure enough it does. I simply connect it via ADAT , set it to external clock and it synchs to my RME without hiccup. You now have half the audio ins and outs... in pairs... 1/2 3/4 5/6 7/8. Now, internet emptor, I haven't used them for anything other than driving VUs, headphone mixes for bands, and setting up testing of things like summing etc.. I can't vouch for anything above that (e.g. I don't want anyone going and spending money, cause I said it works 8) ). If you have something you would like me to test for you, more than happy to.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Oct 11, 2014 15:29:13 GMT -6
Alphalink ended up going for $1075 -- great deal!! I bid, but lost. Couldn't swing more. Looking at the completed items, another one sold recently for $900, so there should definitely more more chances if you're not in a big hurry.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 11, 2014 15:49:07 GMT -6
I bid, but lost. Couldn't swing more. Looking at the completed items, another one sold recently for $900, so there should definitely more more chances if you're not in a big hurry. Yep. I can make the Midas work until I get a little more cash I think. The SSL seems like a pretty good value and leaves room for expansion. Having a chassis with an extra slot gives me an excuse to get into UAD too. Anyone compared the SSL sound to others?
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Post by svart on Oct 11, 2014 17:25:32 GMT -6
Alphalink ended up going for $1075 -- great deal!! I think I got my MADI alphalink for 1200. I ended up selling my non-madi Alphalink for 500$ because nobody wanted it.. I paid almost full price from Alto music for the MX4 card.. www.altomusic.com/solid-state-logic-mx-4-128-channel-madi-soundcard because they are impossible to find used. 3600$ for the setup plus another 800 or so for a solid computer to upgrade to. And to answer Tony, yeah it's expensive, but the features are totally worth it to me.
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Post by svart on Oct 11, 2014 17:33:09 GMT -6
Looking at the completed items, another one sold recently for $900, so there should definitely more more chances if you're not in a big hurry. Yep. I can make the Midas work until I get a little more cash I think. The SSL seems like a pretty good value and leaves room for expansion. Having a chassis with an extra slot gives me an excuse to get into UAD too. Anyone compared the SSL sound to others? Only to older Apogee and stuff from 10 years ago. The SSL is much tighter sound. Some call it light on the bass, but it's just more clear and defined than others which make it seem like that. It's probably not Lavry grade stuff, but it's better than anything else in it's price range. I do have a modded ADA8000 and this takes it's lunch money and bangs Behringer's mother afterwards.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 20:40:14 GMT -6
Thanks wiz! I will test these undocumented feature next time i get along the ADA8000s that i have. This might be fun! They are over at another place for the last 2 yrs... Maybe i give them another chance for some quick recordings or as additional DACs for whatever... I have enough DACs and ADCs right now, so i will not buy anything new anytime soon. Right now we have the 8x96 Mytek AD and a few swissonics DACs, 2 Kronauers ADDA, also a 3 RM DACs, and a few Behringer stereo ADDAs/format converters... (OMG, who am i fooling...i glimpse at the Ross Martin page at least once a week...AD4222?) But i am quite interested in how ADA8000 works in S/MUX double speed, technically, and what i can find out about it. I think i had also the rare service manual schematics on one of my external hd's. I might take another look at these converters, just for fun. Maybe pimping them up a bit... Im just curious - how does it come that i didn't think of testing such stuff myself? Best regards, and thanks for the explanation, Martin
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