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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 29, 2014 20:43:43 GMT -6
whats your fav mics and pre's for these guys, i've pretty much been a 2 mic guy on each, 57's on snare generally, fet 47 on kick, and a hyperC dynamic on the beater. i'm loving the Vp28s for everything these days, definitely on the close beater, but i'm looking for suggestions on a pre that has different/maybe more/thicker bottom end for the 47?
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Post by wiz on Sept 29, 2014 20:52:56 GMT -6
I like M201s on snare, into 1073
cheers
Wiz
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 29, 2014 21:09:58 GMT -6
I like M201s on snare, into 1073 cheers Wiz wiz, what are you using on kick on your Dark Clouds tune? that thing hits pretty good man. |
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Post by drbill on Sept 29, 2014 21:16:14 GMT -6
I tried every kind of API flavored pre / console on kick since forever... I dunno why. Stupid I guess. Then I got one of the ACMP73 clones. Now it's neve all the way on the kick. either the ACMP's or AML's.
If you want weight, look no further... Most any neve-ish pre will do it for ya.
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Post by ericn on Sept 29, 2014 21:27:24 GMT -6
Mic wise, well what day of the week is it, way to many choices here. Pre Dan Alexander Neves for drums or CAP VP23s depending on the feel.
You want Big go NEVE everytime!
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Post by winetree on Sept 29, 2014 21:47:33 GMT -6
+2 Neve 1073's
E.Q. on the way in.
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Post by jeromemason on Sept 29, 2014 22:16:31 GMT -6
1073 (even the GAP73) on every drum head. Crank that input side so it slightly distorts the initial attack, that nice little grit and the natural sustain, damn I don't know of any other pre that will do what it does like that.
VP28 is the best pre i've ever heard on anything to do with guitars, there's nothing else out there that can touch that pre on guitars. The buss too, I'd sell every piece of gear I've got before I'd take those off my buss. Beans and rice with public water before they ever got sold that's for sure.
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Post by wiz on Sept 29, 2014 23:20:03 GMT -6
I like M201s on snare, into 1073 cheers Wiz wiz, what are you using on kick on your Dark Clouds tune? that thing hits pretty good man. Audix D6 on a 18" jazz kick , preamp is JLM Audio 99NV500 I would like to try a FET 47 one day cheers Wiz |
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Post by levon on Sept 29, 2014 23:43:35 GMT -6
1073 for sure. That said, I'm still very curious to hear your VP28s (hint hint)  I've got four channels of BAE 1073 flavor now and since I mostly record with 4 mics only, that works out very nicely. I recently tried the Telefunken M80 on snare top and it sounds great. More open and more top than the SM57. In general, I don't mic the bottom of the snare, but with the M80 I tried a 57 on the snares and they worked together very nicely, especially when I need a bit more wires in the overall sound. On kick, I use an old D12. I have a small kick though, it's a 22", so I always use a sample underneath to give it more body. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 30, 2014 0:19:34 GMT -6
1073 for sure. That said, I'm still very curious to hear your VP28s (hint hint) I've got four channels of BAE 1073 flavor now and since I mostly record with 4 mics only, that works out very nicely. I recently tried the Telefunken M80 on snare top and it sounds great. More open and more top than the SM57. In general, I don't mic the bottom of the snare, but with the M80 I tried a 57 on the snares and they worked together very nicely, especially when I need a bit more wires in the overall sound. On kick, I use an old D12. I have a small kick though, it's a 22", so I always use a sample underneath to give it more body. hi LT! I'm trying bromee, the money's too tight to mention right now, but i have been making slow progress here. You are #1 one out of here, and believe me i'm more anxious than anyone to get back to playing drums and making music instead of building stuff! Binary slat diffusion, 1/2 done.     Btw, levon if you want to send me a naked 2 buss file, i'll run it through a pair of Vp's driving it a different levels, it's pretty remarkable what they do. |
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Post by jeromemason on Sept 30, 2014 2:27:17 GMT -6
Lookin good tonycamphd! I may treat my corners like that…. I've got panels with a layer of roxul 60 and 703 and a 8" air gap that straddle them right now. I wouldn't mind putting those panels overhead and filling my corners like you are. What is that you're using? Looks kinda like roxul. |
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Post by levon on Sept 30, 2014 5:19:41 GMT -6
1073 for sure. That said, I'm still very curious to hear your VP28s (hint hint) I've got four channels of BAE 1073 flavor now and since I mostly record with 4 mics only, that works out very nicely. I recently tried the Telefunken M80 on snare top and it sounds great. More open and more top than the SM57. In general, I don't mic the bottom of the snare, but with the M80 I tried a 57 on the snares and they worked together very nicely, especially when I need a bit more wires in the overall sound. On kick, I use an old D12. I have a small kick though, it's a 22", so I always use a sample underneath to give it more body. hi LT! I'm trying bromee, the money's too tight to mention right now, but i have been making slow progress here. You are #1 one out of here, and believe me i'm more anxious than anyone to get back to playing drums and making music instead of building stuff! Binary slat diffusion, 1/2 done. Btw, levon if you want to send me a naked 2 buss file, i'll run it through a pair of Vp's driving it a different levels, it's pretty remarkable what they do. That room looks nice, man, coming along great. I admire your building skills, wish I had half of that. |
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Post by svart on Sept 30, 2014 6:55:28 GMT -6
57 on snare top and bottom.. Unfortunately they are so neutral I keep coming back to them. I've tried all kinds of preamps but I always end up back with the 1272. The 312 has more balls but tends to crowd the midrange a tiny bit.
On kick it's a D6 placed just inside the vent hole of the front head, pointing at the place the beater hits the back head. Always into a 1272. API stuff is too round and middy here. I just could never get a LDC to work, waaaaaaay too much bleed. If there is one drum on the kit that should be nearly bleed-less it's the kick.
I do love my 312's on toms though.
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Post by ericn on Sept 30, 2014 7:02:25 GMT -6
I'm the guy who goes for the Same per across all the Drums, I like the " gel" it adds. If you talk to a mom musician/ engineer they don't reference kick snare etc. it's Drums!
Also more and more since I scored my pair of Earthworks SR71s I find my self using the Earthworks with kick mic.
I always felt it was all about over heads and everything else was spot mics, now I find its out front mics kick and spots. I think it's the result of way to much classical.
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 30, 2014 7:31:57 GMT -6
Lookin good tonycamphd! I may treat my corners like that…. I've got panels with a layer of roxul 60 and 703 and a 8" air gap that straddle them right now. I wouldn't mind putting those panels overhead and filling my corners like you are. What is that you're using? Looks kinda like roxul. Hey Jerome, thanx man, The walls are covered with 2-3 layers of 1" Roxul Rockboard 60 behind the slats, the corners are 36" across R30 ultra touch cotton insulation, I'm using "helping hand" expanding bar from harbor freight to hold the chuncks in. i totally hi jacked my own thread lol, it is relevant though, the room doesn't sound right yet, especially for drums. But there is good advice here, seems neve is the one, I've been in Eric's camp for the most part, but I am looking for more heft represented in the very bottom moving forward, I'm personally using a 14x 26" kick exclusively. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 30, 2014 7:35:32 GMT -6
Maybe I'm the only one, and don't have Neve channels where I'm working, but I usually reach for the 610 for kick and an Avalon 737 for snare. I really dig what a little bit of the 737 EQ can do to snare on the way in.
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Post by svart on Sept 30, 2014 7:35:43 GMT -6
1073 (even the GAP73) on every drum head. Crank that input side so it slightly distorts the initial attack, that nice little grit and the natural sustain, damn I don't know of any other pre that will do what it does like that. VP28 is the best pre i've ever heard on anything to do with guitars, there's nothing else out there that can touch that pre on guitars. The buss too, I'd sell every piece of gear I've got before I'd take those off my buss. Beans and rice with public water before they ever got sold that's for sure. This is great advice too. |
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Post by jeromemason on Sept 30, 2014 10:38:43 GMT -6
Lookin good tonycamphd! I may treat my corners like that…. I've got panels with a layer of roxul 60 and 703 and a 8" air gap that straddle them right now. I wouldn't mind putting those panels overhead and filling my corners like you are. What is that you're using? Looks kinda like roxul. Hey Jerome, thanx man, The walls are covered with 2-3 layers of 1" Roxul Rockboard 60 behind the slats, the corners are 36" across R30 ultra touch cotton insulation, I'm using "helping hand" expanding bar from harbor freight to hold the chuncks in. i totally hi jacked my own thread lol, it is relevant though, the room doesn't sound right yet, especially for drums. But there is good advice here, seems neve is the one, I've been in Eric's camp for the most part, but I am looking for more heft represented in the very bottom moving forward, I'm personally using a 14x 26" kick exclusively. Hmm is that similar to just regular blown in insulation? Can't say I've heard of "R30 ultra Touch etc." I have seen guys use blow-in insulation in corners before though, suppose it worked but seems like you'd have to compress it somehow to trap more larger waves. Pretty interesting how you're doing that. |
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Post by Ward on Sept 30, 2014 10:40:43 GMT -6
Snare: Top - Telefunken M80 into vintech X73 and AKG C460/CK1 into Focusrite Red 6. Bottom- Sennheiser 441 into Vintech X73. Tiny bit of EQ on all three.
Kick: Telefunkern M82 or EV RE27 inside, AKG D112 outside both into Focusrite 220 pres. Both with some 350 cut and limiter set to prevent overloads.
I'll try and post samples later.
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Post by svart on Sept 30, 2014 11:23:01 GMT -6
Hey Jerome, thanx man, The walls are covered with 2-3 layers of 1" Roxul Rockboard 60 behind the slats, the corners are 36" across R30 ultra touch cotton insulation, I'm using "helping hand" expanding bar from harbor freight to hold the chuncks in. i totally hi jacked my own thread lol, it is relevant though, the room doesn't sound right yet, especially for drums. But there is good advice here, seems neve is the one, I've been in Eric's camp for the most part, but I am looking for more heft represented in the very bottom moving forward, I'm personally using a 14x 26" kick exclusively. Hmm is that similar to just regular blown in insulation? Can't say I've heard of "R30 ultra Touch etc." I have seen guys use blow-in insulation in corners before though, suppose it worked but seems like you'd have to compress it somehow to trap more larger waves. Pretty interesting how you're doing that. it's essentially leftovers from jean manufacturing. It comes in batts like a lot of rockwool/fiberglass. |
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