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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 22:31:54 GMT -6
Guys, I want to ask you to help me and others by compiling a a guide to inexpensive, useable compressors. I will update this first post to include all entries.
This is based on the common understanding that there are several units that while not being truly high end, still live in your racks, getting daily use. This would include units from Symetrix, Aphex and others that aren't character pieces but certainly fulfill a need well, better than plugins, as part of a hybrid or outboard setup. I would contribute but lack the rounded experience. I think I can better facilitate.
Can you help?
Please answer the following questions:
1. What is the brand and model? 2. What uses do you find it appropriate for? (include all applicable uses) 3. How would you describe the sound or action?
I could be wrong but think this could lead to a cool resource.
Inexpensive but useful compressors:
Brand/Model: Chameleon Labs 7802 Uses: Acoustic, Bass, Vox - some like it on Master Buss Sound/Action: Opto compressor. Adds a little weight. Can be gentle. Drive control adds grit.
Brand/Model: Warm Audio WA76 Uses: Vox, Bass, Piano, Acoustic, Drums Sound/Action: FET compressor. Provides varying control. Remains open during compression - no pinch in the sound.
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 27, 2014 23:54:26 GMT -6
Being a compress in the mix and little to not before guy, i have approx 32 channels of compressors for a 32 channel console/hybrid setup. I own 10 channels of the Aphex 651's, which i consider to be very hi end due to their unmatched parameter control and utter transparency, especially if you get the Jwilliams mods, these will be used as my workhorse tracking and console type mix compressors, they will allow my colored pieces to stand out and create contrast(not unlike using an SSL as a mixdown console maybe). I believe great mixes are about creating attention through contrast, If you use an 1176, or any color piece on every channel, contrast vanishes in my experience.
so my vote is Aphex 651, the almost free, most expensive sounding highend compressor you never heard 8)(with JW mods of course).
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 28, 2014 10:28:19 GMT -6
Inexpensive, if working without any flaws, is the old Behringer MDX 1000 produced in DBX license in the 90s. I have two of them and won't give them away. One I bought used for 15$ the otter one for 5$.
They sound transparent even with 10 db of gain reduction.
I also like the ART PRO VLA II And the Gyraf G SSL Clone…
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Post by mobeach on Sept 28, 2014 11:05:44 GMT -6
I don't see the 3630 listed in there, that list is bogus
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Post by Ward on Sept 28, 2014 11:28:56 GMT -6
I don't see the 3630 listed in there, that list is bogus Yeah, no mention of the Boss CS2 and CS3 guitar squishers either. But a great comp/limiter on a budget list must include the Warm Audio WA76!
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Post by popmann on Sept 28, 2014 12:22:02 GMT -6
ART ProVLA (original issue FWIW)....I kept it around for years for one special purpose--when clients would send me digital modeling guitar tracks, I would send them through the VLA first thing--it was some combination of a little tube-y saturation and it's VERY slow attack that kind of brought out the pick dynamics in a way that modellers were always "not right" and hard to sit into a mix. Gave it a sense of dimension that made me not want to gag.
I also liked to use it as a "nuke comp" for drums--snare in particular--again, I think in retrospect for the saturation and the slow attack leaving the "crack" and suppressing the ring....
I sold mine a few years back when I moved to mixing in software 100%. There are so many options for compression and saturation ITB, I simply was no longer using it much. 2U returned. But, I think people who hate on it are missing that it's a tool--it's slow attack isn't good for controlling musical dynamics--but, it's GREAT at transient shaping--leaving the leading edge of the attack AND saturating it some....if you're trying to get a "smooth vocal or punchy bass"--you have better options and honestly I never hated the 3630 and Composer level DBX clones for that.
FWIW--I also had the little "box" ART Levelar years ago--it actually DID do the smooth vocal/bass thing better than it's big brother, again--so long as we're talking low rent compression.
Nothing will be more flexible than a VCA on a budget, though. Many years ago, at home, I had a B Composer (again original issue prior to China) on my two buss full time. Pull a few DB on the way to DAT.
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Post by ericn on Sept 28, 2014 16:20:45 GMT -6
Can't talk affordable compressors without the single rack space DBX 160s. When I started out thes along with the 166 were everywhere. I remember walking into a Heavymetal live gig and finding a rack with 28 of them. They have at one point worked on just about everything and anything. Hard to screw up 2 knobs, and probably the easiest to use metering.
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Post by Guitar on Sept 29, 2014 0:54:19 GMT -6
I love the Symetrix 501 on bass, but I picked one out of three revisions as my favorite, they're all different. I like the greenish grey one with the square push button. It's got a Valley People VCA inside. I put some fancy op amps in it, it's really nice.
I also like the Pro VLA II and I'd like to own one again someday. Great for drum splattering, or smooth vocal or bass riding sometimes.
Most recently I got turned on to the DBX 166A, a real steal, built well, good phat VCA sound, somewhat dark and vibey. And I've just started with the Behringers, Autocom Pro, and Composer which will arrive this week. I must say, I do like what I'm hearing so far from these (well "this" the MDX 1400, it is indeed DBX-ey sounding). They are built like SH1T but they are so cheap! Treat gently.
For some reason I didn't get along with the dbx 160X, although there was something special to it, that I wouldn't mind trying it again someday. It seems to rob low end. On the other hand, it sounds tight and snappy.
RNC did nothing for me, too transparent. RNLA was a little funky but I really liked it on cymbals and acoustics guitars. FMR inspired my ears in some way though, I might look at the 500 series RNLA, and the PBC-6A. I absolutely hate the form factor and unprofessional connections (unbalanced, wall warts) of the FMR units. A totally depressing mood blasting dealbreaker.
Aphex 651 I found a bit too transparent also, I was looking for more vibe or something. Plugins are transparent, you know? Not quite the right one for me so I sold it, but better than the RNC by far. There was a subtle vibe.
When I'm done exploring these waters I'll be moving on to higher end DIY builds...I've already started collecting kits and PCBs, none are finished yet. It's nice to have solid extra channels around for cheap! I use them when I mix on my console, it just makes sense with the patchbay and routing. Nothing wrong with cheap compression.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 1:33:37 GMT -6
Well, the original "red stripe" german production Behringer compressor was pretty good, especially for it's price, i remember many studios around here in germany used them, they got the job done just right. I modded two early China Behringers (MDX1200) with precison quad opamps - clean surgical VCA compressors. Architecture is, as far as i know, a Drawmer rip-off. Totally ok and cheap. The opamps (OPA404) costed more than i paid for the compressors...still cheap working horses and flexible. You can also mod these with higher voltage power transformer and regulators (but not with the OPA404!). Gives them a vintage knee.
Alesis 3630, i modded it with OPA4227 quad opamps, made it very musical sounding, TL084 makes it grittier if you like that, MC33079 made them clean and surgical. A matter of taste - this circuit is VERY reactive to different opamps. (Don't forget the LF347, although not in the direct audio path, it should be replaced with one of the mentioned ones, believe me). PSU elyt caps beefed up with quality caps, 1.5 amps wallwart, done - and you will have a very flexible VCA comp that you will find plenty of uses for. (In fact i was shocked how good it sounded with these easy mods, a working horse much better than i ever expected.)
Pretty cheap usable compressors, you might hardly find better value for the money.
Some guys seem to like the JBL 7110 mono comp for bass especially, that can be had for cheap every now and then, but i never heard one myself...
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