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Post by svart on Sept 28, 2014 11:44:38 GMT -6
Well, we look at things in different ways. You see someone doing magic and giving you something expensive for cheap. I don't see magic, I see physics, plain and simple. ding, ding, physics plain and simple = a branch of science concerned with the physical properties and phenomena of something.Here's some scientific observations. 1. you never developed, designed or machined your own diffusion plates. 2. you don't design and build your own toroidal mic transformers. 3. you don't design and build custom ribbon mics for a living. 4. you choose to talk shit instead of putting up a sample of your 121. 5. you have NEVER tried a Samar modded or manufactured mic(you should have had the sense to nip your hapless and long winded foray right here). you designate me as dazzled by snake charmers and yourself a scientist in one fell swoop, though you clearly don't have the sense to dummy up when you've been served? I can't even get upset by your BS anymore, it brings to mind the phrase "shoveling shit against the tide" lol So i have a better idea, you record your R121 on an acoustic guitar of your choice, capture it in the best way you can, then i'll do the same with my crappy little Samar, and we'll have JK start a "poll" thread with the unprocessed samples (anonymous A/B designation of the samples of course), and let everyone vote blindly on which they think sounds better? This is called putting your money where your mouth is, I love putting my money where my mouth is 8) ewww how fun!!! 8) You're right Tony, you're always right. Digging up tiny details to debunk any actual knowledge I might have gained through doing all my own ribbon experiments, is always going to make you right, even though you have no personal experience doing it yourself. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 28, 2014 11:59:44 GMT -6
Ok. Enough bickering. Jesus loves you both. I'm looking at a really well priced AEA R92 here locally. Might pull the trigger. I know littlesicily loves his. |
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Post by littlesicily on Sept 28, 2014 12:20:48 GMT -6
Ok. Enough bickering. Jesus loves you both. I'm looking at a really well priced AEA R92 here locally. Might pull the trigger. I know littlesicily loves his. yup, happy camper w/ R92. |
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Post by popmann on Sept 28, 2014 12:37:16 GMT -6
I always go back to the Royer, though the R92 isn't one of the other ribbons I've tried.
....that said, I think you need to reframe the initial post title--you're not debating a BETTER guitar--you're debating a completely different SOUNDING guitar--and that will not be quenched/matched by a mic of any nature. A Fender--be it your Squire or my AMVintage with Fralins--will never sound like an SG. This is like saying you need a female vocalist--should you get a woman to sing or a better vocal mic. They're completely unrelated, iME/O.
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 28, 2014 12:57:11 GMT -6
Ok. Enough bickering. Jesus loves you both. I'm looking at a really well priced AEA R92 here locally. Might pull the trigger. I know littlesicily loves his. yup, happy camper w/ R92. i missed you Sic!, glad you're back! |
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Post by littlesicily on Sept 28, 2014 13:12:21 GMT -6
yup, happy camper w/ R92. i missed you Sic!, glad you're back! Thanks, Tony :-) |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 28, 2014 13:21:16 GMT -6
Yeah, that's true popmann that's why I wonder whether I should just get a cheap SG and have all the flavors. |
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Post by Ward on Sept 28, 2014 13:41:49 GMT -6
Ok. Enough bickering. Jesus loves you both. Yes, He loves all of you... but I'm His favorite! |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 28, 2014 16:27:10 GMT -6
It's been a while, but I listened long and hard to every mic in that shootout. My Gold and Silver medals went to the Royer's, and my Bronze went to the Cascade Vin-Jet with the Lundahl.
Before you jump John, take a second look at one.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 28, 2014 17:12:51 GMT -6
I'm totally waffling.
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Post by wiz on Sept 28, 2014 17:22:08 GMT -6
I always find strong statements about items one has never tried off putting. Samar stood at the top of recording hacks $65,000 ribbon mic shoot out. I cant say with certainty that the Samar modded 205 is as good as the R121, but you can't say it isn't, neither of us have used the other. That said, the R121 better be off the hook if it's going to compete with this.... https%3A//soundcloud.com/tonycamp/samar-205-modI recorded this quietly at 12am sunday morning, with a low gain ss preamp, in a carpeted un treated room. for those of you who want to hear a file thats not destroyed by soundcloud click herethat sounds really nice. I have owned a few ribbons, tried to like em. that one sounds great cheers Wiz |
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Post by littlesicily on Sept 29, 2014 14:26:09 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 29, 2014 14:59:04 GMT -6
Here's what I think...I think I'm wanting something to make me sound better as a player...and no mic is gonna do that. Or guitar.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 29, 2014 15:03:51 GMT -6
Sounds like you need a handjob. ...get your mind out of the gutter...plastic surgery...better fingers...try the veal.  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 29, 2014 15:09:29 GMT -6
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Post by Guitar on Sept 29, 2014 15:18:08 GMT -6
that sweetwater deal is pretty slick... I don't mind paying no interest payments. it's how I was able to get an Apollo. I hope they still have it going in a few years when I want an AC30 or whatever else. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 29, 2014 15:21:24 GMT -6
I'm telling you - I'm waffling...Some body tell me I don't need a $1000 EG mic.
Damn - when I put it that way, it kind of makes me realize it's kind of crazy. For what I do here at home, that money would be better spent on another acoustic guitar mic.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 29, 2014 15:26:13 GMT -6
My vibe is you don't need the mic, get a guitar you're proud of, one that makes you want to play it.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 29, 2014 15:38:51 GMT -6
I'm telling you - I'm waffling...Some body tell me I don't need a $1000 EG mic. Damn - when I put it that way, it kind of makes me realize it's kind of crazy. For what I do here at home, that money would be better spent on another acoustic guitar mic. How much is a demo from blackbird or whoever has one? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 29, 2014 15:57:20 GMT -6
I could get a demo from VK or borrow one. I think I answered my own question though.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 29, 2014 16:03:05 GMT -6
I could get a demo from VK or borrow one. I think I answered my own question though. I say demo one. If you don't feel that is a value add for your setup, you'll at least know and won't be wondering. Or it'll sound like the trumpets of angels and it'll be inspiring. |
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Post by ericn on Sept 29, 2014 16:16:03 GMT -6
Here's what I think...I think I'm wanting something to make me sound better as a player...and no mic is gonna do that. Or guitar. So what your saying is you need to find a decent guitar teacher, it takes guts as an adult to admit you are the limiting factor & in the long run while it won't yield a physical item in the long run it will make any investment in the EG rig go much farther! |
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Post by ephi82 on Sept 30, 2014 13:01:37 GMT -6
John,you have a Strat sound, and a Jazzmaster sound.
A different mic is not going to give you a different guitar sound.
However, getting an SG will definitely get you a Gibson guitar sound, which you dont have now.
By the way, smaller Fender amps like your Deluxe (and my old BF ProReverb) are wonderful with Gibsons. Those humbuckers really push them tubes into as much harmonic saturation as you want to hear.
My primary axe for 35 years was my Strat, but the Les Paul Standard spends a lot of time in my hands too these days.
Best of Luck
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Post by Guitar on Sept 30, 2014 13:45:35 GMT -6
I somewhat disagree. Ribbon mics have a very unique characteristic sound that is quite a bit different from dynamic moving coil and condenser mics. I still think a cheap modified one would get anyone started with this flavor, without busting the bank. That way one could still buy the guitar or whatever, and still get the "ribbon experience" which I think is an important experience to have as an engineer.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 30, 2014 15:50:07 GMT -6
I think ephi and Pop have a point...I think I'm wanting a different sound more than a "better" sound...
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