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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 20, 2014 14:09:17 GMT -6
Hey Fella's, I found this 10year old session drive this morning, so i dumped it from an external into PT, loaded the audio files, and started going through each individual file to take out the trash and filter things off, after about 3 hours of re living and laughing about these old tracks, pro tools stuttered and quit. I had the session set up to back up every 1 minute, but i don't believe i ever physically hit the "save" button as i didn't shut the session down yet.
Now i cannot find the "backups", they are not listed with the session as they usually are? I tried searching, but i've never had this happen before, do i not know where to look?
Did i just lose 3+ hour of work? HELP!
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 20, 2014 17:00:32 GMT -6
ok, so after searching crazy style, i realized my session file backups folder was just plain missing all together?? After scratching my head for an hour, i go back to my PTHD for about the 10th time(where the file resides normally), and there it is!!....  it magically returned? WTH? I swear i read line by line 5 times to make sure i didn't overlook it? Weird.... I'm sure i'm just a dumbass, but this is the kind of crap that makes me long for the good ole days of analog tape. |
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Post by wiz on Sept 20, 2014 17:15:47 GMT -6
yeah I been having a weird couple of weeks with computers and music as well.
Glad you found it bud.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 20, 2014 18:01:19 GMT -6
Terrible week for me too. I go to open up a session and ALL of my audio files are gone. Folder is there, files gone. The next day I go to open up another session for a different client, and the ENTIRE folder is empty. Nada. Nothing. Gone.
Pretty sure my hard drive is failing, and it can't read those files. At least, that's the only thing that makes sense.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Sept 20, 2014 18:32:55 GMT -6
I was going to recommend you restart the computer. I've had crazy things like that happen and a reboot fixed it. Glad your up and running.
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Post by Ward on Sept 20, 2014 20:15:07 GMT -6
HINT: Do NOT under any circumstances connect your 'work' / pro Tools / Music computer to the internet. Treat it as an autonomous piece of hardware.
I cannot stress this enough.
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Post by ericn on Sept 21, 2014 13:22:37 GMT -6
HINT: Do NOT under any circumstances connect your 'work' / pro Tools / Music computer to the internet. Treat it as an autonomous piece of hardware. I cannot stress this enough. Could not agree more! Even when it comes to installations/ upgrades that's what USB jump drives are for! |
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Post by Ward on Sept 21, 2014 13:31:41 GMT -6
And the reasons include
1. Downloading viruses off the web
2. Getting hacked
3. Picking up malware or spyware that taxes your system
4. Software companies checking up on you to make sure your software is running according to their specs and latest versions.
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Post by drbill on Sept 21, 2014 15:27:24 GMT -6
Are you guys working on PC's cause I've had 3-4 TDM / HD systems (Mac OS) "online" for well over a decade with zero issues. Zero viruses, never been hacked, never had malware, and the software "issues" are actually helpful most of the time. I know PC's are a different story, but I've not had any traceable problems with having Pro Tools "online". (One of my main reasons for using Mac OS)
From my perspective, having a PT system online is a non-issue and is actually helpful. Actually, I'm not sure how I could survive WITHOUT my systems online. bp
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Post by svart on Sept 21, 2014 15:56:12 GMT -6
Are you guys working on PC's cause I've had 3-4 TDM / HD systems (Mac OS) "online" for well over a decade with zero issues. Zero viruses, never been hacked, never had malware, and the software "issues" are actually helpful most of the time. I know PC's are a different story, but I've not had any traceable problems with having Pro Tools "online". (One of my main reasons for using Mac OS) From my perspective, having a PT system online is a non-issue and is actually helpful. Actually, I'm not sure how I could survive WITHOUT my systems online. bp Pc and reaper here. mine's a decade old p4 and still going strong. Never lost a file or had a crash. I back up weekly just in case though. I do adhere to the never connect to the internet or do updates mantra though, which is probably Why it's been solid. And, glad you got the files back Tony. I'd still back them up immediately though, just in case it's a failing hdd. |
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Post by ericn on Sept 21, 2014 15:59:26 GMT -6
Are you guys working on PC's cause I've had 3-4 TDM / HD systems (Mac OS) "online" for well over a decade with zero issues. Zero viruses, never been hacked, never had malware, and the software "issues" are actually helpful most of the time. I know PC's are a different story, but I've not had any traceable problems with having Pro Tools "online". (One of my main reasons for using Mac OS) From my perspective, having a PT system online is a non-issue and is actually helpful. Actually, I'm not sure how I could survive WITHOUT my systems online. bp Mac here, but Ward pretty much explained it. Bill it's not about what has happened but what can, if you consider your DAW as an enterprise system, first rule of Computer security if nobody can get to it nobody can f#%k with it. It's also why secure and cloud based are contradictions . |
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Post by drbill on Sept 21, 2014 18:39:38 GMT -6
I suppose.
I can get killed when I step into my car and drive to get a starbucks, but I'm not going to let that stop me. I've had a broken back by riding two wheels, and I'm not letting that stop me either. Anything CAN happen, including having a plane drop out of the sky and kill you while you sleep, but with 4 systems on-line and working 6-7 days a week for that long, I would have expected SOMEthing to happen if it was likely to. Ease and convenience are a big part of the reason I do it, because that makes working on a computer "bearable" for me. I guess I'm shooting the odds....
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Post by wiz on Sept 21, 2014 19:10:41 GMT -6
I am online....with my recording rig
so is chuck norris
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Ward on Sept 21, 2014 19:23:00 GMT -6
Are you guys working on PC's cause I've had 3-4 TDM / HD systems (Mac OS) "online" for well over a decade with zero issues. Zero viruses, never been hacked, never had malware, and the software "issues" are actually helpful most of the time. I know PC's are a different story, but I've not had any traceable problems with having Pro Tools "online". (One of my main reasons for using Mac OS) From my perspective, having a PT system online is a non-issue and is actually helpful. Actually, I'm not sure how I could survive WITHOUT my systems online. bp Mac here, but Ward pretty much explained it. Bill it's not about what has happened but what can, if you consider your DAW as an enterprise system, first rule of Computer security if nobody can get to it nobody can f#%k with it. It's also why secure and cloud based are contradictions . That's it in a nutshell. I'm also all-Mac and have been since 1994. IMHO it's just better to be safe than sorry. I also put all updates on a USB thumb/jump drive and check them all before running updates. I also wait a couple of months before installing any updates so I know that any bugs have been properly dealt with. One of these days I might even upgrade from PT10 to PT11 and the new plugin format and have to buy a lot of stuff... but as long as it's working I consider it a case of not fixing what ain't broke. To the OP's dilemma, the only time anything like that ever happened to me was after an 'upgrade'. There may be a lot of you who keep your workstation online, but there are an awful lot of us who are scardy-cat a-feared of doing so. <purr> |
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Post by svart on Sept 21, 2014 19:29:48 GMT -6
OS aside, I often wonder if newer hardware is as robust as older hardware.
I remember a time when you bought a computer and it ran. It ran until you bought another one. It seems that as things have become faster and more complicated, with all kinds of functions being pulled into single ICs rather than using multiples, and with higher power densities, that hardware failures have become increasingly common.
I'm upgrading the recording PC to a brand new system in the next month or so, I suppose I'll find out how robust the top of the line modern hardware is..
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Post by drbill on Sept 21, 2014 20:08:10 GMT -6
Mac here, but Ward pretty much explained it. Bill it's not about what has happened but what can, if you consider your DAW as an enterprise system, first rule of Computer security if nobody can get to it nobody can f#%k with it. It's also why secure and cloud based are contradictions . That's it in a nutshell. I'm also all-Mac and have been since 1994. IMHO it's just better to be safe than sorry. I also put all updates on a USB thumb/jump drive and check them all before running updates. I also wait a couple of months before installing any updates so I know that any bugs have been properly dealt with. One of these days I might even upgrade from PT10 to PT11 and the new plugin format and have to buy a lot of stuff... but as long as it's working I consider it a case of not fixing what ain't broke. To the OP's dilemma, the only time anything like that ever happened to me was after an 'upgrade'. There may be a lot of you who keep your workstation online, but there are an awful lot of us who are scardy-cat a-feared of doing so. <purr> I'm with ya on the upgrade thing Ward. I'm still on PT8/9 on my systems, and likely to stay there for a long time. |
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 22, 2014 12:14:00 GMT -6
Do not want to be the nag here but I am doing audio now since 10 years, never had such a problem on mac.
I always run an hourly backup of all my 6 HDs.
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Post by Ward on Sept 24, 2014 20:42:06 GMT -6
Do not want to be the nag here but I am doing audio now since 10 years Welcome, newbie!! never had such a problem on mac. I have had very very few!! I always run an hourly backup of all my 6 HDs. Ah, a SMART newbie!! Smarter than I, that's for sure. I might back up once a month. MIGHT. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 24, 2014 21:24:46 GMT -6
My Mac stays on line, Other than the annoying "pro tools suddenly quit" events that happen way too much, i haven't had any problems other than that back up sessions folder temporarily disappearing?? I have 4 drives and don't back up as much as i should, but i do repair disk permissions quite often.
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 25, 2014 7:15:49 GMT -6
Do not want to be the nag here but I am doing audio now since 10 years Welcome, newbie!! never had such a problem on mac. I have had very very few!! I always run an hourly backup of all my 6 HDs. Ah, a SMART newbie!! Smarter than I, that's for sure. I might back up once a month. MIGHT. It is easy with time machine. I only switch it off when working with logic.... |
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Post by svart on Sept 25, 2014 13:44:34 GMT -6
I generally do backups once a week to external HDD, and recently started doing monthly backups to Bluray.
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it magically returned?
