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Post by matt on Sept 18, 2014 11:40:46 GMT -6
The irony is pretty thick on this one: Bono, in an upcoming issue of TIME magazine, discusses a "secret project" designed to "save the music industry". As reported by SPIN magazine (you couldn't make this up): Bono and Apple will save the music world |
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 18, 2014 12:33:26 GMT -6
Interesting? although i can't imagine how? if the combo of these 2(apple/u2) can't get that kind of a change made, i fear no one ever will. If they were to pull it off, it would be some sort of irony after the lashing we and others have been giving them...  I hope for the sake of musicians everywhere they pull a rabbit out of their hat. |
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 18, 2014 13:13:04 GMT -6
I bet it will be something like Pono and Bono will say he always had the idea before Neil Young…
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 18, 2014 13:16:25 GMT -6
Whatever it takes...
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Post by matt on Sept 18, 2014 13:46:22 GMT -6
I can see Apple providing a premium service within iTunes, along the lines of HDTracks, with higher pricing. Offer participating artists better royalty rates, in exchange for exclusivity. It's the Apple way.
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Post by mobeach on Sept 18, 2014 14:18:46 GMT -6
Destroy the digital age and go back to vinyl. That'll save the music industry.
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Post by wiz on Sept 18, 2014 15:26:22 GMT -6
Unfortunately, the gates open, the horse has bolted and we are still standing around wondering WTF and who left the gate open.
I can't see any prospect of it getting away from people not paying for recorded music. Technology (digital, post SCMS) let the genie out of the bottle. How could it ever go back in.
Copy protection is difficult/expensive to implement, for all intents and purposes it always gets cracked.
U2 did this before, didn't they bundling a free cassette tape with walkman?
I still sell CDs at every gig I play. You can see it coming a mile away.. I will be playing solo gig with just acoustic guitar and my voice, and you will see people connecting, and I have the CDs out on display with a little sign, $10 bucks (has 5-10 songs on a CD) all my originals. I make them myself, costs me about 3 bucks for my album an 2 bucks for my EP. So I make maybe 7-8 bucks a CD sale. More than if I sold on iTunes Apples to Apples (Pun intended).
You can see that people want the "experience" to go home with them.
Actually, its quite touching, you can see that your music is connecting directly with someone, and moving them enough that they open their wallet, its really kinda cool actually.
I make more in 3 Sunday arvo gigs selling my CDs normally, than I do for the whole goddamn year on iTunes.
At my gig, I don't compete with anyone I suppose.
I feel for you guys in the "industry" who need this to improve or be resolved so you can put food on the table, I really do.
But it might be a bit like being a saddle maker when the car hit... its just ... gone.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by yotonic on Sept 18, 2014 16:16:09 GMT -6
Steve Jobs had always been intent on Apple becoming a "Label", perhaps that evolution is at hand.
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Post by mobeach on Sept 18, 2014 17:38:58 GMT -6
Steve Jobs had always been intent on Apple becoming a "Label", perhaps that evolution is at hand. Like the Beatles? |
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 19, 2014 7:23:28 GMT -6
I feel for you guys in the "industry" who need this to improve or be resolved so you can put food on the table, I really do. But it might be a bit like being a saddle maker when the car hit... its just ... gone. cheers Wiz I like this …. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 19, 2014 8:34:54 GMT -6
I feel for you guys in the "industry" who need this to improve or be resolved so you can put food on the table, I really do. But it might be a bit like being a saddle maker when the car hit... its just ... gone. cheers Wiz I like this …. Except people pay for cars, and they still love and define themselves by the saddle makers saddle, they know he loves to make them, they know it's of his heart, they know he could never stop, and now they just steal the saddles from him, no worries, he'll make more.... |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 19, 2014 8:45:18 GMT -6
I feel for you guys in the "industry" who need this to improve or be resolved so you can put food on the table, I really do. But it might be a bit like being a saddle maker when the car hit... its just ... gone. cheers Wiz The horse was replaced with something better. Music hasn't been replaced. Now if I owned a Compact Disc factory, I would get it...But this is akin to someone coming along and putting the alarm system password for a car dealership on the internet. "Come on down and get one...just use this code to turn off the alarm...and then drive any car you want off the lot. It's yours...free. It's not legal per se, but everyone else is doing it...and no one is going to enforce the law" or for streaming music - this analogy... "Free Kellogg's Corn Flakes. Just call our store and we we drive to your house and serve you a bowl anytime you want some. We get it in bulk at a discount/dealer price (Kellogg's can't negotiate the price with us) and then advertisers pay us to put their name on the front of our shop - and voila! We can give it away free to you. (because we make 50 times what we paid for it in ad revenue)" |
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Post by jimwilliams on Sept 19, 2014 10:06:36 GMT -6
Bono could give away all his millions to starving musicians.
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Post by wiz on Sept 19, 2014 16:17:36 GMT -6
Perhaps my analogy wasn't the best.
I meant more in the spirit of being superseded from a job, by technology.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 19, 2014 17:40:29 GMT -6
Bono could give away all his millions to starving musicians. Come on, Jim...poor guy had to split that $100 million 5 ways. |
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 19, 2014 21:24:10 GMT -6
For sure digital technology is changing the game.
But does it mean that music is going to be worth near zero?
Positive things are going on here in Germany - famous musicians make it public, they discuses it with the politics.
Why the hell is in the business of modern music distribution the composer back degraded to be poor bagger??
I also see big mistakes which have been done by collecting societies.
PRS for example made a laughable deal with google.
It should be clear to all CS in the world that the CPC rate for music is way too low.
We need to make clear that a composition in streaming has its price.
If they can't afford the price it should not be the problem of the composers.
Saw today at Spotify that famous composers advised to take of their albums.
More people should do it.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 20, 2014 19:09:39 GMT -6
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 21, 2014 8:04:04 GMT -6
Pardon my ignorance but everything that is digital has been pirated one day. You just could track back the song and release it as MP3 for free again.
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Post by Guitar on Sept 26, 2014 14:22:33 GMT -6
Another embarrassing Bono moment, it never seems to end, he is such a buffoon!
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Post by mobeach on Sept 26, 2014 14:56:52 GMT -6
Another embarrassing Bono moment, it never seems to end, he is such a buffoon! But he has a such a strong influence on world politics  |
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Post by Guitar on Sept 26, 2014 15:06:16 GMT -6
Another embarrassing Bono moment, it never seems to end, he is such a buffoon! But he has a such a strong influence on world politics LOL :-) |
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Post by Guitar on Sept 28, 2014 12:36:01 GMT -6
And this idiocy reaches its peak and its naturally pathetic conclusion
The Guardian - Apple makes it easier to delete the new U2 album from iTunes libraries
They forced it on to a bunch of peoples' phones! And made it impossible to delete the album!! Tyler the Creator's tweet sums it up: "GET OFF MY FUCKING PHONE. YOU COULDNT COME UP WITH AN ACTUAL MARKETING IDEA? FUCK @u2 I DONT WANT YOU. FUCK BONO. I DIDNT ASK FOR YOU IM MAD" |
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Post by ericn on Sept 30, 2014 7:05:05 GMT -6
I think at some point the discussion has to be , what part of the music biz do we save, Bono's world is not the world of any of us .
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Post by drbill on Sept 30, 2014 14:22:39 GMT -6
Fortunately or unfortunately - whatever you point of view - all our worlds are interconnected. What hurts me hurts you and vice versa. When one of us makes money, it raises the bar for the entire industry. Maybe indirectly, but society or perhaps I should say the community of music consumers view all these small victories and defeats as a whole. When the studio biz in Nashville is tanking (theoretically here), it affects the biz in LA - and vice versa. No one is going to pay $350 an hour for studio time in NYC when they can get it for $75 an hour in Vegas. And on and on....
From my point of view, ANYONE trying to help the music industry in ANY fashion gets my Kudo's. I wish Bono and Apple well. Hopefully they can find the proverbial rabbit and pull it out of the hat. I know it's beyond MY ability, therefore, I'm thankful for anyone else trying....
bp
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Oct 1, 2014 10:44:40 GMT -6
I honestly think that streaming and files replaced music radio more than they did album sales. Radio brought this on themselves by firing most of the live jocks and moving to bland genre-flavored background music.
The problem looting created was to kill angel investment in new artists. Everybody had also gotten lazy behind the CD and the death of the single. They also got cheap behind MIDI and personal computer daws. All of this taken together killed the album when the stores started refusing to stock the LP. The average new release on a major label was selling fewer than 800 copies during the '90s!
Better artists and albums are the only real solution. That includes a desirable physical product and great live performances that high school kids can afford.
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