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Post by jeromemason on Sept 16, 2014 22:26:58 GMT -6
I stumbled across this when I was looking around at room correction options and I came across this and decided to give it a try. I've got a ECM8000 measurement mic and thought what the hell. Man, this is probably the best room correction option I've ever heard. It also measures impulse delay of each speaker and corrects that as well. My room is treated well, and there isn't a ton of correction this applies, but just that extra little bit makes you smile. This is also different than other RMC software algo's… this one actually takes over your main output, so as long as you assign the same output for Protools and your Mac/PC, it will correct anything that comes out of that sound card, and more specifically whatever outputs for that sound card you choose. Just very impressive. I did a mix yesterday with it and when I listened in the car and the bluetooth box I didn't want to change one single thing, and that rarely happens ever. You know we talk a lot about buying a piece of gear and getting inspired to mix or create, well this did that for me. Being able to hear more clearly and feeling good and confident is worth what they ask for it. It's pricey, it's around $500, but I did get them to give me a coupon code for 20%, and when I get paid on the 24th I'm buying it for sure. You can trial it out fully for 14 days, so if you've got a measurement mic give it a try and see what you think. I can give you the coupon code if you want it too. www.dirac.se/en/consumer-products/dirac-rcs.aspx |
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Post by krelmin on Sept 17, 2014 0:05:41 GMT -6
I have been using this software for over a year and I agree with everything you said. it is incredible and I wouldn't want to be without it. it is undoubtedly one of the best upgrades you can get for your monitoring situation. everyone should download the demo on trial.
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Post by LesC on Sept 17, 2014 23:05:36 GMT -6
I wanted Dirac, but I didn't want to add additional software to my recording PC. So I'm using Dirac on a MiniDSP DDRC-22D, which is a digital in/out box. It costs a few hundred dollars more with the MiniDSP processor, but I like the flexibility of running everything through Dirac instead of just PC output. Right now, I'm using RME UFX AES out to the MiniDSP, and MiniDSP AES out to the Dangerous Music Source. When I get the Lynx Hilo, I'll probably use Hilo SPDIF optical to and from the MiniDSP and use the Hilo Monitor Out to the Source or another monitor controller.
I've only had Dirac for a couple of weeks, but so far I'm quite happy with it. Maybe because it corrects impulse response as well as frequency response, it seems to help with bass nulls as well as peaks, unlike other products like 1K's ARC 2. Anybody want to buy a 1K ARC 2 system with measurement mic?
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Post by donr on Sept 17, 2014 23:23:35 GMT -6
I'm interested in this, what kind of mic do you need to qualify as measurement? Any reasonably priced ones?
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Post by jeromemason on Sept 18, 2014 7:40:03 GMT -6
donr I just use a Behringer ECM8000, I think that's what it's called, but it's like $80 maybe? They make a calibration file you can download that you load into the software to flatten out the response even more. I bought mine off amazon used. Pretty durable so if you find one that's listed in good condition you'd probably be able to swoop one up for $50 or so.
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Post by jeromemason on Sept 18, 2014 7:42:36 GMT -6
I wanted Dirac, but I didn't want to add additional software to my recording PC. So I'm using Dirac on a MiniDSP DDRC-22D, which is a digital in/out box. It costs a few hundred dollars more with the MiniDSP processor, but I like the flexibility of running everything through Dirac instead of just PC output. Right now, I'm using RME UFX AES out to the MiniDSP, and MiniDSP AES out to the Dangerous Music Source. When I get the Lynx Hilo, I'll probably use Hilo SPDIF optical to and from the MiniDSP and use the Hilo Monitor Out to the Source or another monitor controller. I've only had Dirac for a couple of weeks, but so far I'm quite happy with it. Maybe because it corrects impulse response as well as frequency response, it seems to help with bass nulls as well as peaks, unlike other products like 1K's ARC 2. Anybody want to buy a 1K ARC 2 system with measurement mic? This is what I want, the Minidsp box…. that takes the load off the comp. I've been looking for someone selling a used one but doesn't seem like there are many on the 2nd hand market. Considering it's just a couple hundred more I'll probably just save my pennies or sell another piece of gear and get the box. |
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 18, 2014 7:54:10 GMT -6
I wanted Dirac, but I didn't want to add additional software to my recording PC. So I'm using Dirac on a MiniDSP DDRC-22D, which is a digital in/out box. It costs a few hundred dollars more with the MiniDSP processor, but I like the flexibility of running everything through Dirac instead of just PC output. Right now, I'm using RME UFX AES out to the MiniDSP, and MiniDSP AES out to the Dangerous Music Source. When I get the Lynx Hilo, I'll probably use Hilo SPDIF optical to and from the MiniDSP and use the Hilo Monitor Out to the Source or another monitor controller. I've only had Dirac for a couple of weeks, but so far I'm quite happy with it. Maybe because it corrects impulse response as well as frequency response, it seems to help with bass nulls as well as peaks, unlike other products like 1K's ARC 2. Anybody want to buy a 1K ARC 2 system with measurement mic? This is what I want, the Minidsp box…. that takes the load off the comp. I've been looking for someone selling a used one but doesn't seem like there are many on the 2nd hand market. Considering it's just a couple hundred more I'll probably just save my pennies or sell another piece of gear and get the box. Can you still use your coupon with the Minidsp box? |
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Post by jeromemason on Sept 18, 2014 8:49:33 GMT -6
Probably not…. but I'm going to sure try. Since it comes from the manufacturer I might be able to say something like "well I can use the coupon on the software, so unless I can get the same discount I'll have to go with it" which honestly, I probably would because just re-thinking it a little my Mac only runs at around 15% on a large session anyways, so it wouldn't really matter. But, if I could get the box for a good deal I'd go that route first.
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Sept 18, 2014 11:15:54 GMT -6
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Post by qqkqkrdl on Sept 18, 2014 11:15:54 GMT -6
I stumbled across this when I was looking around at room correction options and I came across this and decided to give it a try. I've got a ECM8000 measurement mic and thought what the hell. Man, this is probably the best room correction option I've ever heard. It also measures impulse delay of each speaker and corrects that as well. My room is treated well, and there isn't a ton of correction this applies, but just that extra little bit makes you smile. This is also different than other RMC software algo's… this one actually takes over your main output, so as long as you assign the same output for Protools and your Mac/PC, it will correct anything that comes out of that sound card, and more specifically whatever outputs for that sound card you choose. Just very impressive. I did a mix yesterday with it and when I listened in the car and the bluetooth box I didn't want to change one single thing, and that rarely happens ever. You know we talk a lot about buying a piece of gear and getting inspired to mix or create, well this did that for me. Being able to hear more clearly and feeling good and confident is worth what they ask for it. It's pricey, it's around $500, but I did get them to give me a coupon code for 20%, and when I get paid on the 24th I'm buying it for sure. You can trial it out fully for 14 days, so if you've got a measurement mic give it a try and see what you think. I can give you the coupon code if you want it too. www.dirac.se/en/consumer-products/dirac-rcs.aspx can I get the discount coupon i am a student so I am out of budget  qqkqkrdl@naver.com |
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Post by LesC on Sept 18, 2014 16:58:21 GMT -6
I'm interested in this, what kind of mic do you need to qualify as measurement? Any reasonably priced ones? If you go the MiniDSP/Dirac route, the UMIK-1 USB measurement mic is included as part of the package. Here's the info: www.minidsp.com/products/dirac-series |
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Post by jeromemason on Sept 18, 2014 17:05:26 GMT -6
I'm interested in this, what kind of mic do you need to qualify as measurement? Any reasonably priced ones? If you go the MiniDSP/Dirac route, the UMIK-1 USB measurement mic is included as part of the package. Here's the info: www.minidsp.com/products/dirac-seriesIs the software limited to only working with the MiniDSP, or can you assign it to any output from your computer? |
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Post by LesC on Sept 18, 2014 20:21:53 GMT -6
If you get the MiniDSP/Dirac package, the software actually runs on the MiniDSP. I don't believe you also get the equivalent software that runs on the PC. However, the MiniDSP has 3 digital inputs (AES, coax, optical), any of which can be used.
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Post by LesC on Sept 18, 2014 20:24:28 GMT -6
Probably not…. but I'm going to sure try. Since it comes from the manufacturer I might be able to say something like "well I can use the coupon on the software, so unless I can get the same discount I'll have to go with it" which honestly, I probably would because just re-thinking it a little my Mac only runs at around 15% on a large session anyways, so it wouldn't really matter. But, if I could get the box for a good deal I'd go that route first. It was more an additional layer of software that could cause problems that I'm trying to avoid, rather than just the processor utilization. |
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Post by jeromemason on Sept 18, 2014 21:35:45 GMT -6
Probably not…. but I'm going to sure try. Since it comes from the manufacturer I might be able to say something like "well I can use the coupon on the software, so unless I can get the same discount I'll have to go with it" which honestly, I probably would because just re-thinking it a little my Mac only runs at around 15% on a large session anyways, so it wouldn't really matter. But, if I could get the box for a good deal I'd go that route first. It was more an additional layer of software that could cause problems that I'm trying to avoid, rather than just the processor utilization. I got ya…. seems pretty darn stable though… I mean like it's not even there. I'm kind of juggling around which I want to go for, ideally I would like the miniDSP, but if this keeps stable until my trial runs out I might just get the software. I like that you can strap it across any interface or output your comp has, also that I can make settings for mastering from further away or settings for sitting on the couch just listening… I really like the idea of room correction like this and ARC, but ARC doesn't touch Dirac, they are not even on the same playing field. ARC helps, but Dirac makes your jaw drop, like instant clarity and the lowend get's so damn accurate. I mean just having the lowend correct is worth the price of admission. The fact it let's you hear what's really happening in the mid-range is worth twice the price. For guys that cannot afford to have rooms built for mixing something like this is almost necessary. I mean it puts you on a much more level playing field with guys mixing in high dollar rooms. Not in gear, but in being able to actually hear what's completely going on. I'm just really impressed with this, I have ARC and the JBL RMC controller and it's no contest. |
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Post by jeromemason on Sept 19, 2014 21:00:29 GMT -6
Just shot my room with and without Dirac. I found that it's extremely handy when you're using REW in combo with the Dirac because you can move things around and angle things to really dial it in. This is smoothed to 1/12 I believe. There is one mode at around 80hz that is still kind of there, but Dirac knocks a good amount of it down. I've got a slight boost from low to high, just sounded and translated much better that way, but I'm really impressed with how well this software works.  |
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Sept 19, 2014 21:45:31 GMT -6
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Post by mulmany on Sept 19, 2014 21:45:31 GMT -6
Can you take an impulse response and post that up. Be interesting to see.
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Post by jeromemason on Sept 25, 2014 16:56:22 GMT -6
Just an update, I did buy their stereo version. These are class act guys too. They offered me a coupon and when I went to buy the software I couldn't find where to enter the coupon code, emailed them and they were updating their store. So, instead of saying sorry you missed out, they extended the coupon and gave me 25% off not 20%. BTW, they are in Sweden and the longest I waited for a response was maybe an hour, and they answered exactly what I was asking as well.
Basically when the trial ended and I tried to use ARC, it was like taking 30 steps backward, even though I tried to get smart and match the eq settings from Dirac to ARC, it's just not anywhere near how well Dirac works. What I noticed that was the most impressive when going from ARC to Dirac is how they correct the impulse response as well as the eq. That's what I was missing from ARC was the punch and clarity. This was their response to my question asking what exactly was the benefit of the IR correction:
"Hi Jerome,
the benefit of impulse response optimization is that you will get improved clarity, distinctness, and staging, due to better phase alignment between different speaker drivers and also some correction of undesired early reflections from front or rear walls."
All I know is that without it my stereo image seems like it collapses and everything is muddy, and that's with ARC with the same eq settings, not running it naked.
I'd really urge you guys to give this a try, to me it's worth more than any piece of hardware. Just wanted to pass along my experience so far and after the honeymoon period I'm still elated every time I switch this on.
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Post by qqkqkrdl on Sept 26, 2014 10:36:28 GMT -6
I see you got coupon and didn't share at all without reason even though you said you would. what a nice forum
hope you have nice life with discount 25%
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Post by jeromemason on Sept 26, 2014 11:26:03 GMT -6
I see you got coupon and didn't share at all without reason even though you said you would. what a nice forum hope you have nice life with discount 25% Ummm I did share the coupon, never got a message from you, but anyone who messaged me I gave it to. Good life here! And a great forum! Sorry you got upset… but I'm not going to post a companies coupon code out on a public page so they get torched by people that were not members. |
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Post by indiehouse on Oct 10, 2014 21:50:13 GMT -6
I'm trying to get this to work on a Mac using. Pro Tools and Apollo. Just spent the entire night trying (unsuccessfully) to route audio through Dirac from Pro Tools.
Any advice appreciated.
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Post by LesC on Oct 10, 2014 22:00:09 GMT -6
I'm trying to get this to work on a Mac using. Pro Tools and Apollo. Just spent the entire night trying (unsuccessfully) to route audio through Dirac from Pro Tools. Any advice appreciated. You're not alone, I've noticed PC users also having issues with Cubase and other software. This is the type of problem I wanted to avoid by getting the MiniDSP Dirac, so far so good. I hope you get it straightened out. |
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Post by jeromemason on Oct 10, 2014 22:07:42 GMT -6
Hey indie give me a few to get home and I'll lay it out.
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