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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 16, 2014 17:31:08 GMT -6
I need more drums like a hole in my head, but these are certainly interesting. I bought AD2, and frankly, I don't use them as much as SD2. But...but...these would be awesome...They mentioned Sound City...so that will make my music better  www.xlnaudio.com/products/view/190 |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 16, 2014 17:50:02 GMT -6
Holy crap...I pulled up AD2 and listened...bought it immediately.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 16, 2014 17:50:16 GMT -6
$79 at Sweetwater
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 16, 2014 19:00:59 GMT -6
Here's a quick little screwaround with the Chew Back Preset...Just pulled the overheads down a little.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/fairfax
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Post by popmann on Sept 21, 2014 12:59:08 GMT -6
So, what's their deal? It looks like it's $179 for the "fairfax Bundle"--which includes the engine? It looks like they "give you" the engine with any content? So, is the "demo" actually the full engine/app with time limited sound demos? Or does it annoyingly beep every ten sec or something? It's funny--I never could stand AD....but, mainly because I could never get anything that sounded like a drum kit. It all sounded like "premixed" drums. These sound like they straddle the fence well--you have the BFD ethos of "record well but completely dry"....which I love, but certainly isn't great for in the moment inspiration...and the EZD/AD/SSD "process it like a record"...these sound tweaked but not....unlike the sound of a drum kit in a room.  I clicked through their other stuff...and man...it all sounds so bad....and then there's THIS. Ha. I guess the room DOES matter! |
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Post by popmann on Sept 21, 2014 14:11:16 GMT -6
Run through of all the kit presets in vol 1:
That is certainly a nice sounding kit.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 21, 2014 15:46:39 GMT -6
I agree - I can't get a realistic sound out of any of the others...but this kit is gonna be my standby from now on.
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Post by popmann on Sept 21, 2014 16:30:32 GMT -6
Is this really $120 for both volumes and the "engine"? Great big FU to people who bought AD and then "upgraded" it for $80, huh? www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/AD2FairfaxBunHow good are their MIDI paks? I never got past how bad the sounds were....but, you know what they should do? They should make an engine on the website where you can hear each MIDI pak (examples like they have)--only through any sound pak. In listening, I'm thinking for me, it's all "Sloppy Grooves" and "Funk 1" and "American Rock"....but, it's hard to audition them with shitty sounds. Sounds make SO much difference in grooves. A big roomy rock tone playing a "funk" beat doesn't sound like funk--you know? Or a tight little cliche funk kit playing a Bonham beat just sounds NOT like rock or funk. Can you imagine "In the Air Tonight" played on an unprocessed tight ringy tom set? It simply would be a totally different piece of music, you know? I might pop for this. This is coinciding with me deciding I'm gonna do a project ASAP here where I'm gonna sequence the drums. See how quickly I can work that way. It's been a long time since I've sequenced drums for a final presentation. But, in using the Kronos for demos--it's built in drum (meaning pattern/fill) library has turned out rather good. |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Sept 21, 2014 16:43:31 GMT -6
The two Fairfax kits and the Pop Studio is the only ones they have that sound usable to me. Fairfax vol 2 is my favorite.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 21, 2014 17:14:31 GMT -6
No - I think it's $79 here www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/AD2Fairfax2It says it comes with the engine too. The midi packs are pretty bad...occasionally, I can use some of the straight beat stuff that comes and then tweak it...but I've just gotten to the point that I just build my own. I just "keep it simple stupid" all the way through. |
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Post by popmann on Sept 21, 2014 18:30:49 GMT -6
Ok....yeah-the $120 link I put was for both volumes, FWIW. Since they don't have good demos of "this is one....this is two"--the YouTube I linked is vol 1. So, you're saying you just bought vol 2 only? Or you already had vol1 from the upgrade? On the midi thing, good to know. Thing is--the "main beat" is something I can roll pretty easily--but, the fills and what separate the men from the boys. I really DO love the way Groove Agent's UI works--where they have a whole family of...well-they call it a "Style"--but, it's like 10-15 related beats, and some exponent of that fills--mapped to what they approximate are "complexity". So, you find your base beat and enable "random fill"--so every time you hit it, it grabs one from all the levels of complexity--but, still in the related "style"--so, it's not like in a funk groove it'll go all Neil Peart or something. It'll go off....but, it still stylistically matches. ....but, the hell if I didn't enable the demo last week to find they've now disabled (I don't mean in the demo version--I mean in the app) the ability to spit MIDI back to host in real time. I asked about it on Steiny's forum and got crickets. I sure am glad they give a 30 day demo--I damn near bought it because the new version will run on the MacBook and my ancient one likely needs OS9 or some shit-certainly PPC code. I would have assumed they'd keep THE feature that set their virtual drummer apart from ALL the others....but, apparently not. Can't believe it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 19:51:52 GMT -6
I have loved AD for years. I demoed several and only bought this. However, I don't use their compression or effects. I use the natural kit and multi it out to be able to process my way, like a real kit.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 21, 2014 19:54:21 GMT -6
Yeah - the fills and the ghost notes...
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Sept 22, 2014 7:37:25 GMT -6
I bought it. First plugin drums I've used that sound ready made where I don't have to spend hours trying to get a real drum sound. Pick a preset, tweak it a bit to fit the song and I'm done. The midi packs suck though. AND the mapping is different on these than EZ drummer (figures), so it's hard interchanging the midi from one to the other.
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Post by Randge on Sept 22, 2014 8:16:49 GMT -6
I think I would rather spend the money on a real drummer. There are plenty of hungry drummers in Nashville that can really play who will work within a budget, so, I can never justify buying any more drum sounds. I use EZ drummer as a click sometimes for wandering bluegrass bands, but that is about it. Plus, it's fun to record a good drummer and you always get an authentic sounding track no matter how good or poorly you record them.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 22, 2014 10:00:33 GMT -6
I think I would rather spend the money on a real drummer. There are plenty of hungry drummers in Nashville that can really play who will work within a budget, so, I can never justify buying any more drum sounds. I use EZ drummer as a click sometimes for wandering bluegrass bands, but that is about it. Plus, it's fun to record a good drummer and you always get an authentic sounding track no matter how good or poorly you record them. R Obviously, I would rather have a real drummer - just the feel and everything is so much better. But one thing it ain't is cheaper. $80 for this plugin. At least $100 for each song from every good drummer I know. |
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Post by popmann on Sept 22, 2014 11:07:38 GMT -6
Preaching to the choir.
....but, the choir has had it's budget cut. So here I am with a new album of tunes....and zero chance to recoup what I put into this....selling the studio off piece by piece--not growing it. I don't even have facility here to record drums anymore, so I'd have to rent a room/engineer for a few days or use a remote drummer. Remote guys are faster. THE fastest, short of using some built in midi loop in these apps. And that may be where I end up for the rest of the album....right about now, I'm kicking myself for selling the Akai--which I could've had someone over and tracked through....but, you know...that's the risks we take...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 12:54:35 GMT -6
Damn, they sound good. Just checked it out.
And i have AD1 already.
Maybe .... only the first Fairfax and upgrade ...
Hrmpf...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 12:57:02 GMT -6
(cough)real drummer(cough)rayzoon(cough)
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Post by popmann on Sept 24, 2014 13:22:30 GMT -6
They screw you on the upgrade, IMO. I guess you get to keep you v1 content....but....that's why I was originally asking about whether it includes the engine--looks like $79 to upgrade from v1...or $79 for one of these Fairfax kits. Which sounds like punishment for current v1 users to me. Why would they make it more to upgrade and have the new kits than just have the new kits? But, tis the way it is....
Hey guys--how big is the RAM/CPU footprint for this guy? Part of my interest is I'd like a "pull it up and it sounds good" lightweight drum thing for the MBAir/Kronos station. BFD2 uses tons of RAM--way more than it uses on the WIndows box, me thinks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 14:20:15 GMT -6
Well, there is an upgrade option so i could keep the complete AD1 content that is those rock/pop packs in AD2 plus 1 new ADpack, which could be the fairfax for 99 Euros total.
Which is not too bad. The new engine looks awesome, fast intuitive solutions, fast results, great presets...
If i had bought my Sonar upgrade later, i would have got the AD2 upgrade for free. :-P
Well. Life isn't fair...
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 24, 2014 20:49:55 GMT -6
They screw you on the upgrade, IMO. I guess you get to keep you v1 content....but....that's why I was originally asking about whether it includes the engine--looks like $79 to upgrade from v1...or $79 for one of these Fairfax kits. Which sounds like punishment for current v1 users to me. Why would they make it more to upgrade and have the new kits than just have the new kits? But, tis the way it is.... Hey guys--how big is the RAM/CPU footprint for this guy? Part of my interest is I'd like a "pull it up and it sounds good" lightweight drum thing for the MBAir/Kronos station. BFD2 uses tons of RAM--way more than it uses on the WIndows box, me thinks. It's not very intensive AT ALL. I haven't use BFD in eons, but this thing is a breeze. And I swear - pull up AD2 Fairfax 2 "Chew Back" preset and you're almost immediately ready to go. Even moreso than any of the SD2 sets I've used. |
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 25, 2014 16:57:19 GMT -6
I think I would rather spend the money on a real drummer. There are plenty of hungry drummers in Nashville that can really play who will work within a budget, so, I can never justify buying any more drum sounds. I use EZ drummer as a click sometimes for wandering bluegrass bands, but that is about it. Plus, it's fun to record a good drummer and you always get an authentic sounding track no matter how good or poorly you record them. R It took a few posts taht someone speaks truth. I often have to use fake drums too because of a limited budget but Jesus these fake drums all sound like plastic. I recognize it special when playing live with a drummer…. Even in the video you can feel something when the real drummer plays, as soon the plug inn plays you think something like OK its usable but not a human drummer… |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 25, 2014 17:04:09 GMT -6
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 25, 2014 17:41:03 GMT -6
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I clicked through their other stuff...and man...it all sounds so bad....and then there's THIS. Ha. I guess the room DOES matter! 
