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Post by KJ on Sept 14, 2014 6:22:29 GMT -6
Any thoughts on this topic?
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Post by jimwilliams on Sept 14, 2014 10:40:35 GMT -6
I believe it was over a few years ago. The brick wallers won. Now it's everywhere, radio, TV, movies, ads, etc.
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 14, 2014 11:06:08 GMT -6
this looks like it should lead somewhere positive? i'll remain cautiously optimistic 8)
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Post by winetree on Sept 14, 2014 15:37:50 GMT -6
Ever since the FCC ruled that the commercials can't be louder that the loudest part of the program material,
all the voice only programs, (news, sports, weather, etc.) have the announcers mics so loud they actually distort.
You hear every lip smack, saliva swallow, and teeth chatter. There's one fritzie weather man I can't stand to listen too.
I have to mute the volume. Do they think we're deaf or don't have a volume control?
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Post by dandeurloo on Sept 15, 2014 7:38:26 GMT -6
That FCC thing only lasted for about a week or two here. I think they just ignore the rule now.
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Post by svart on Sept 15, 2014 8:04:28 GMT -6
I think that second video is a super poor comparison. Nevermind is so much better mixed than that Queens of the stone age record, which is essentially ALL mids.
That in itself is what makes it hard to listen to, not the loudness. Irritating, droning mids with songs that are the same irritating droning mess.
If the Queens of the stone age CD had actually used the frequency spectrum as Nevermind had, then it would be MUCH more listenable at any level.
On the other hand, I don't think this loudness issue is anything more than people resisting change. It's happened everytime there is a change in media and it's happened every time there has been a change in signal format, you get people who feel at home with something who feel like it's being taken away from them forcibly.. And they rebel. Just ask anyone who buys vinyl records what media is best.. And then look at how many records are sold every day vs. how many MP3s are sold.. So do you listen to the die hard fanatic, or do you go by the 1000x more MP3s sold per day? Who is right? Unfortunately I think it's always going to be the masses rather than the singular fanatics. To quote a famous character.. "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".
Yes, there are songs limited to the high heavens that sound terrible, but there are others with just as much limiting that sound just FINE. It's the same with mixes at other finished levels, with good and bad examples, but those are less noticable due to less crowding of the frequency spectrum. It's like fitting square pegs into round holes. A mix that was meant for low levels will have a poor limiting result. A mix that was designed to be loud will have a much better limiting result.
So if anything, I think the loudness "issue" that people have is really a "I don't like this mix" issue. And if the music buyer is our customer, then surely the customer is always right.. Right?
So I propose instead of sitting around trying to force everyone to go back to the "good ol' days", we just accept that things change and embrace it, but instead put the time and effort we spend on complaining into learning how to craft better mixes that fit the new expectations of the masses?
Lets stop trying to fit square pegs into round holes and start making round pegs for those holes.
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Post by jimwilliams on Sept 15, 2014 9:53:21 GMT -6
Or, as another famous charactor from the same venue once said, "resistance is futile".
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Post by matt on Sept 15, 2014 11:38:26 GMT -6
That FCC thing only lasted for about a week or two here. I think they just ignore the rule now. I think the broadcasters just lowered the program volume so the commercials are louder again Do you mean that broadcasters and advertisers are working in collusion to control the minds of viewers? Say it isn't so! |
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Post by btreim on Sept 15, 2014 12:28:01 GMT -6
That FCC thing only lasted for about a week or two here. I think they just ignore the rule now. I mix a bunch of TV... I think they aren't ignoring it, I think the broadcasters just lowered the program volume so the commercials are louder again - just everything is below the spec! It's wildly annoying and you, once again, have to have one finger on the volume button at all times. Can confirm. Everything get's mixed at -24LKFS/-23LUFS (depending on what side of the pond you're on). It can be +/-2LUs without kickback from the network usually but this doesn't apply to network bumpers and local ad's which is why you still have to keep your finger on the volume. |
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Post by donr on Sept 15, 2014 14:23:57 GMT -6
Not the volume, but the mute. Better, start watching a commercial TV program about 25 minutes into the hour, and watch it off disk, FF or skip through the ads and promos. It's the only way I could tolerate MadMen.
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Post by svart on Sept 15, 2014 14:41:27 GMT -6
Not the volume, but the mute. Better, start watching a commercial TV program about 25 minutes into the hour, and watch it off disk, FF or skip through the ads and promos. It's the only way I could tolerate MadMen. Anything on AMC these days.. I was watching HOW the other day and timed the commercials.. almost 30 minutes of commercials throughout an hour long TV show.. |
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Post by Ward on Sept 15, 2014 20:52:55 GMT -6
The only way I can watch TV programming these days is to DL commercial free versions and stream them from my Macbook to the TV through Apple TV. And even then I have to run them on VLC so I can have better audio control.
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Post by svart on Sept 16, 2014 6:47:00 GMT -6
I dunno, I've never had a problem with the commercials being louder than the program for me.
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