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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 10:10:25 GMT -6
I am in SO2 and with specific regards to the title, I really don't have a problem. The Presonus pipeline plugin does a good job. But... I found another limiting factor, SO2 does not do mono busses.... what?? Nope.
This has me looking at other possible options, including PT, which I left at 7.4. But, outside of PTHD, I hear that using outboard with a non-Avid device is a no go due to not being able to address latency properly.
What are you PT guys doing? How are you making it work?
Are you guys using other DAW's with a successful hybrid approach? Which DAW is it? Enjoy it?
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Post by jeromemason on Sept 7, 2014 14:30:29 GMT -6
Are you specifically talking about wanting to use PTHD? I use standard PT with a combination of an Apogee Ensemble and a Apollo Quad and I have no issues at all with PT compensating.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 14:50:20 GMT -6
Are you specifically talking about wanting to use PTHD? I use standard PT with a combination of an Apogee Ensemble and a Apollo Quad and I have no issues at all with PT compensating. No, I'm thinking of standard PT a d keep hearing it can't calculate latency on non-avid devices. How does it work for you? Thanks for the reply. |
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Post by jeromemason on Sept 7, 2014 18:08:16 GMT -6
I haven't had any issues with PT11 and using both my interfaces…. and that's running an aggregate setup so it's even more likely to get weird, but, no problems at all, runs solid.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 19:02:41 GMT -6
I will have to try it first hand with the demo. SO is really easy in that the routing plug in does it automatically.
Wat about you logic guys or others?
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Post by popmann on Sept 7, 2014 21:43:05 GMT -6
when I tested (Cubase 6/PT10/Reaper 4)....only Cubase worked for integrating outboard gear as both inserts and aux sends. I tried it with two different sets of audio hardware. Results were the same.
It's not sample accurate....neither is TDM, IME. It's close enough for anything but parallel processing.
Under Windows with PCI based IO. FWIW, and I don't think that's trivial....read up on OSX's Firewire buffering....or Windows' USB buffers....to use harware IO as inserts the application HAS to have a stable fixed latency. It can be HUGE....but, it can't move. Move and the compensation is off.
Under Windows, you want Cubendos. Rhyming is fun.
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Post by svart on Sept 8, 2014 7:50:08 GMT -6
So you guys are talking about latency over USB based devices? That's driver dependent. Since the USB subsystem is going to be IRQ driven, you'll never get a "true" latency, because it's always dependent on CPU utilization.
That's true for any OS and any recording program.
And yes, Reaper does have latency compensation, but it's manual, and you have to know the intricacies of your hardware interface to know how to offset it.. Or at least do some loop testing and figure it out.. But with USB/Firewire/Tbolt or any of these, unless they have USB/Fire/Tbolt drivers that are specifically written with compensation reporting algorithms, the latency can change depending on CPU workload.
This is why I really hate the "prosumer" level USB/Fire/Tbolt devices these days. They all assume that you are ONLY using that device and make no consideration for usefulness, only for selling features.
That's why I'm still (and will forever) use DSP cards and interfaces that use them. Yes they cost more, and yes the computer needs to be a big bulky rack box, but I won't have issues like these.
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Post by matt on Sept 8, 2014 8:29:11 GMT -6
No, I'm thinking of standard PT and keep hearing it can't calculate latency on non-avid devices. Do you mean how PT communicates with audio interfaces over USB/FW/T-Bolt? Or how PT handles hardware inserts and auxiliaries? I have used UA and Apogee on PT10/11 with no show-stopping issues. I experience annoying crashes of PT but it seems like everyone does. I have not used hardware inserts, but I think you have to calculate round-trip time and input it manually into PT. I'd have to crack the manual to make sure, though. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2014 9:18:06 GMT -6
Svart/Matt,
I simply heard or read in different places that it didn't calculate correctly with non-avid interfaces, w/e the connection is. I didn't see anything connection specific.
I have a Steinberg MR816 that I love. it works well with ADC in SO2 but curious about PT11.
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