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Post by geoff738 on Sept 1, 2014 14:23:46 GMT -6
First off, I've never printed a stem Never really occurred to me I guess. Anywho, I have three quality compressors and two decent eqs available OTB. All mono. The only decent stereo comp I have is the RNC.
Generally this stuff would get put on lead vox and bass. And then drum buss, guitars etc. would be processed ITB with the RNC sometimes making the cut.
So, my question is, are there any tips, tricks, or pitfalls to avoid in doing this? How do you ensure everything lines up? Do you just use the ping feature (Im in Logic if it matters) or do you take further steps to make everything aligned?
Could you do two passes of a stereo buss? Maybe setup the comp and/or eq or whatever in mono to set it and then do a pass of L and a pass of R? Or is that just a path to danger, Will Robinson?
Curious if anybody here has experimented with using mono hardware on a stereo buss, and if it actually worked.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by svart on Sept 1, 2014 19:49:05 GMT -6
I've heard of folks using a single piece of hardware and just running each track through it, stereo or whatever you want. I'm not sure how they line it back up, but I can bet there is some kind of click or something that can be used to line it up, or maybe a beat in the song or something that is easy to blow up and see to line it up.
Personally I don't like stems. I don't like them because everybody treats things differently, and I don't like when someone sets the levels and/or prints effects to the stem so that I can't change it later.
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Post by wiz on Sept 1, 2014 20:43:26 GMT -6
I have a single sample tick. I place it either at the start or end of the track... (place at the end, if you are using a compressor or limiter...) reamp away.. and then manually align... makes you sample accurate... here it is for all ... 8) dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13120658/Single_Tick.wavcheers Wiz |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Sept 1, 2014 21:25:20 GMT -6
I do it all the time in Cubase which sets the delay compensation automatically. Pro Tools is a different story though. It's designed to be used with Avid converters. Use other converters and you have to set the delay compensation manually which is a pain in the ass.
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Post by kevinnyc on Sept 2, 2014 14:00:27 GMT -6
I've heard of folks using a single piece of hardware and just running each track through it, stereo or whatever you want. I'm not sure how they line it back up, but I can bet there is some kind of click or something that can be used to line it up, or maybe a beat in the song or something that is easy to blow up and see to line it up. Personally I don't like stems. I don't like them because everybody treats things differently, and I don't like when someone sets the levels and/or prints effects to the stem so that I can't change it later. I do this....sometimes round tripping 24 tracks from a live performance recorded on an HD24 through an analog chain.... I would have thought they would naturally line up as the process is the same for all tracks but they don't. I typically place a percussive sound across all tracks at the head and manually ensure alignment. A hassle to be sure, but for me the results are well worth it. |
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Post by kevinnyc on Sept 2, 2014 14:03:24 GMT -6
I have a single sample tick. I place it either at the start or end of the track... (place at the end, if you are using a compressor or limiter...) reamp away.. and then manually align... makes you sample accurate... here it is for all ... 8) dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13120658/Single_Tick.wavcheers Wiz Wiz could you be kind enough to explain placing the tick at the end of the track vs the beginning? Tx in advance! |
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Post by wiz on Sept 2, 2014 16:36:23 GMT -6
I have a single sample tick. I place it either at the start or end of the track... (place at the end, if you are using a compressor or limiter...) reamp away.. and then manually align... makes you sample accurate... here it is for all ... 8) dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13120658/Single_Tick.wavcheers Wiz Wiz could you be kind enough to explain placing the tick at the end of the track vs the beginning? Tx in advance! Sure. I should have wrote a better explanation, but I was in a rush. The tick, is a single sample. Say you have recorded a track and you wish the reap it using your external hardware. By placing the tick, onto that track either at the beginning or end. You now have an absolute in time. If you were to place it at the beginning of the track, the tick might trigger compression. So if you are worried about that, or if you had a delay or something, then place it at the end of the track. It doesnt matter where it goes. When you have finished reaping, you simply slip edit the reamp'd track so that the recorded tick now lines up with the one you put on the original track. You are sample accurate now with you reamp'd track. Even though I have LOGIC and it handles this very well, I do this every time. cheers Wiz hope that helps.. yell out if I have made it more muddy 8) |
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Post by kevinnyc on Sept 2, 2014 17:21:33 GMT -6
I always just place it at the beginning. I was curious if there were a technical reason for placing it at the end that I wasn't aware of. That's for the clarification.  |
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Post by swurveman on Sept 2, 2014 19:06:43 GMT -6
Wiz could you be kind enough to explain placing the tick at the end of the track vs the beginning? Tx in advance! Sure. I should have wrote a better explanation, but I was in a rush. The tick, is a single sample. Say you have recorded a track and you wish the reap it using your external hardware. By placing the tick, onto that track either at the beginning or end. You now have an absolute in time. If you were to place it at the beginning of the track, the tick might trigger compression. So if you are worried about that, or if you had a delay or something, then place it at the end of the track. It doesnt matter where it goes. When you have finished reaping, you simply slip edit the reamp'd track so that the recorded tick now lines up with the one you put on the original track. You are sample accurate now with you reamp'd track. Even though I have LOGIC and it handles this very well, I do this every time. cheers Wiz hope that helps.. yell out if I have made it more muddy 8)
I use Cubase and have always used their "ping" function, which I believe logic has as well, for my hybrid setup where I use External FX hardware as DAW channel inserts. So, I never bothered to check the sample accuracy, because I couldn't hear anything discernible and the ping showed the latency compensation. My question is: How much sample inaccuracy is tolerable? If you're using the tick for reamping, are you also using it for everything that goes to hardware and back itb, like mixing with hardware and then printing. Or, do you use the ping function and use your hardware as inserts with the External FX function? Thanks for the tick and the conversation. |
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Post by wiz on Sept 2, 2014 19:57:29 GMT -6
Phase matters... e.g. if you are doing anything with multiple microphones.
I dont do a huge amount of reamping.
And I have tested logics ping function at various times and it works, and I use it to set things up, sure.
But I always put my little "tick" on there and double check
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Wiz
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