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Post by cenafria on Aug 7, 2013 2:06:39 GMT -6
Being able to provide results as quickly as possible is a bit of a pet obsession for me. What do you feel makes a difference without affecting the quality of the results negatively? It could be gear related or not.
A couple off the top of my head...
Putting the mic cupboard in the live room. It may seem trivial but every little counts....
The Furman hrm16 system. The first time I tried this as a bass player in my own studio I thought "wow!". A producer that was working here at the time had brought them in and in a break from his session, my band was up to record. I'd never been so comfortable playing in the studio. And the set up is much faster. Keep in mind they have a built in talkback system including it's own mics.
Making the band aware that they should speak up as soon as they hear something they don't like and that we can "fix" a lot more in the set up than in the mix.
Recording vocals with a copy of the lyric sheet. The sooner I have the lyric sheet in the recording process, the sooner I know my way around the song (specially important when tracking to tape). Easier to drop in and to make notes on which vocal line might need to be reviewed.
Keeping the mic stands open and in one end of the live room instead of "folded" and put away somewhere.
Marking fader positions with lines on masking tape next to the fader. "Did I undermix the guitars or is the drummer getting excited because it's the end of the song?"
So, what do you feel helps to accelerate the process?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 16:35:45 GMT -6
Hey I'm looking at getting one of those Furman systems! Glad to hear it's working well.
Tracking Bass while tracking guitars. I use a sansamp bass driver and a Kemper. Very easy. Bass adds no extra time. Using 1/8 notes on the click helps keep things a little tighter for faster stuff. These days I work a production so that everyone is going. I do drums first and edit. Then every day we finish a song and it keeps everyone fresh.
Cubase Iphone App is cool.
Ultimately good prepro makes everything go the smoothest and allows for the most creativity.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 16:41:53 GMT -6
Recording clean cymbal fades and samples of the drums.
Try get a drummer to let cymbals fade completely. It's funny how hard they try and focus.
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Post by gouge on Aug 7, 2013 17:56:18 GMT -6
the biggest thing that has let me work faster is improving the acoustics. placing mics becomes easier and faster.
the other item is not soloing parts. listen to the mix as a whole.
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Post by Ward on Aug 7, 2013 18:03:04 GMT -6
I've been doing this for so long that I have a lot of "efficiency habits" that I'm sure I take for granted. A few of the things you mentioned are certainly things I do, such as the masking tapew or strip tape on the console with notes to keep things consistent from song to song.
I also take notes on everything during sessions so that I can recreate things should another session be necessary down the road that needs to match one I am adding to.
And of course, like everyone I have my pet preamps and microphone combos for different instrument and voice applications that are my "go-to's" that save me time...I guess knowing what WILL work saves a lot of experimentation time, but I still will replace anything not working to everyone's satisfaction.
Staying healthy, physically and mentally, also helps me work more efficiently too. I always make sure I keep the kettle going with lots of green tea and honey... better than Red Bull, for me. And getting in a 90 minute to 2 hour workout every day keeps me alert and energetic too.
Any down time I have, I use to test everything from cables to mics to outboard gear and the systems to make certain I don't get any unexpected failures. Those RUIN session productivity.
I'm sure I'll think of other things. Good topic!
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Post by gouge on Aug 7, 2013 18:09:20 GMT -6
other than mic placements the combos of gear has been my steepest learning curve recording people. what I generally do these days is multi mic everything. I have my mics I know work for me on the source i'm tracking then I put up other mics that are experimental to hear what they produce.
as I stumble across more combinations I like I add them to my mental notes or discard the practices that are less successful.
there are some great tips in this thread which i'll be using from here on in.
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Post by cenafria on Aug 8, 2013 1:53:57 GMT -6
Hey I'm looking at getting one of those Furman systems! Glad to hear it's working well. Tracking Bass while tracking guitars. I use a sansamp bass driver and a Kemper. Very easy. Bass adds no extra time. Using 1/8 notes on the click helps keep things a little tighter for faster stuff. These days I work a production so that everyone is going. I do drums first and edit. Then every day we finish a song and it keeps everyone fresh. Cubase Iphone App is cool. Ultimately good prepro makes everything go the smoothest and allows for the most creativity. The Furmans are expensive but, in my opinion, worth it. Very easy to use. We usually set up a basic mix while standing next to the musician, hearing what he is hearing, explain how the mixer works and they are set. It also has a basic hi/lo eq for the entire monitor mix. Recording as many instruments at the same time as possible makes a huge difference. As much as I love the sound and workflow of tape, recording the band live is a bigger deal to me than the decision to record to hard disk or analog tape. And I worked exclusively to tape for the multitrack for about four years.
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Post by cenafria on Aug 8, 2013 2:00:16 GMT -6
the biggest thing that has let me work faster is improving the acoustics. placing mics becomes easier and faster. the other item is not soloing parts. listen to the mix as a whole. Acoustics, we all know how important they are, and still often overlooked... I remember the first time I heard a drum kit in a really good room. That day I learned with my entire body the importance of acoustics. It really hit me hard. Not soloing parts can even be extended to an entire way of thinking when setting up to record. Important for bass guitar and toms (for example) IMO.
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Post by cenafria on Aug 8, 2013 2:58:42 GMT -6
I've been doing this for so long that I have a lot of "efficiency habits" that I'm sure I take for granted. A few of the things you mentioned are certainly things I do, such as the masking tapew or strip tape on the console with notes to keep things consistent from song to song.
I also take notes on everything during sessions so that I can recreate things should another session be necessary down the road that needs to match one I am adding to.
And of course, like everyone I have my pet preamps and microphone combos for different instrument and voice applications that are my "go-to's" that save me time...I guess knowing what WILL work saves a lot of experimentation time, but I still will replace anything not working to everyone's satisfaction.
Staying healthy, physically and mentally, also helps me work more efficiently too. I always make sure I keep the kettle going with lots of green tea and honey... better than Red Bull, for me. And getting in a 90 minute to 2 hour workout every day keeps me alert and energetic too.
Any down time I have, I use to test everything from cables to mics to outboard gear and the systems to make certain I don't get any unexpected failures. Those RUIN session productivity.
I'm sure I'll think of other things. Good topic! Keeping a note book by the console, that's a great one. When it's time to mix I have a little list of things that have worked for that song when we were tracking basics or overdubbing. It could be panning, eq or a certain "feel", like a certain level of ambience on the vocal will remind me of a certain recording, I'll make a note of it and get it back while mixing. We keep photos of setups and our track sheets let you write in detail what the tracking chain was. Comes in handy when you look it up years later. Specially useful for checking out what mic was used with singers. I'll make sure that mic is up for the "shoot out". Having a mental archive of recording chains that work for certain things is invaluable. You'll never forget the things you struggled with in the past. Doing some kind of exercise. A major one. If i don't, my mood gets worse as the sessions keep coming. I ride my bike to the studio. It's not a 2 hour workout (wow) but it keeps my head (relatively) in order. Along these lines I would say, for me, not rehearsing with my band because of work for too long screws my head up in a similar way to not exercising. Not a fan of energy drinks either. I have a coffee maker that drips into a thermos so the coffee is always drinkable. Maybe I should set up another one next to the console... Perhaps an intravenous feed... Hmm... Downtime is always maintenance time. My partner here at the studio does a lot while sessions are going but there are certain things that need an empty studio and two people. A major maintenance help for us is Steve Sadler's support subscription. Keeping the JH24 running smoothly.
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Post by cenafria on Aug 8, 2013 4:11:00 GMT -6
other than mic placements the combos of gear has been my steepest learning curve recording people. what I generally do these days is multi mic everything. I have my mics I know work for me on the source i'm tracking then I put up other mics that are experimental to hear what they produce. as I stumble across more combinations I like I add them to my mental notes or discard the practices that are less successful. there are some great tips in this thread which i'll be using from here on in. That's a great tip, always try something new in each session. Obviously, like you say, while still using the setups that you know work well.
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Post by cenafria on Aug 8, 2013 4:19:03 GMT -6
Having instruments always come up on the same channels on the console has made a difference. For me, channel 2 is kick drum (resonant side), 13 is always a guitar channel, 16 is main vocal... Obviously, if the band is drums, cello, tuba, marimba and lapsteel things are going to change a little, but you get the idea. Less thinking means mixing can be more visceral, intuitive, unconscious process. And faster.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 8, 2013 4:53:55 GMT -6
Having instruments always come up on the same channels on the console has made a difference. For me, channel 2 is kick drum (resonant side), 13 is always a guitar channel, 16 is main vocal... Obviously, if the band is drums, cello, tuba, marimba and lapsteel things are going to change a little, but you get the idea. Less thinking means mixing can be more visceral, intuitive, unconscious process. And faster. This is how I work at my live gig. Very helpful.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Aug 8, 2013 6:55:38 GMT -6
A deadline. Ha! Couldn't help myself.
In all seriousness, DAW templates with different I/O setups are critical to me. That and having all my patch bays and gang boxes clearly marked. Simple things go a long way.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 8, 2013 7:40:49 GMT -6
Good gear...so I don't have to futz around trying to find a good sound...
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Post by svart on Aug 8, 2013 8:37:47 GMT -6
Here some of mine in order of importance.
1. Having everything in the studio wired for complete versatility. I can wire anything to anything through patchbays both in the live room and the mix room. Every patch point can be used bidirectionally.
2. Having "go to" mics that you know the sound of. I'm going to shoot you straight here, most people get caught up in the whole overblown "right mic for the job" and end up with too many damn choices for everything and end up in "analysis paralysis" trying all these combinations of everything and wasting time. Pick a couple of known workhorse mics for each instrument you intend to record and learn those mics well. Learn every possible position and trick for these few mics and it'll go a lot further than buying mic after mic, hoping for some magic bullet. One thing you'll always see when you study the pros, they have about 5-8 mics they use for every recording, and you already know what they are..
3. Headphone mixers. Like the Furman or others. I bought a cheap behringer AD/DA box and bus out headphone stem mixes to it from the DAW. From there it splits out to 4 cheap 8 channel mixers where the player can mix his own headphone mix, including EQ. This has saved me from spending 30 minutes each session trying to balance the headphone mixes for all the players at once on my end.
4. Create a game plan for everything. When I get a new band in, I always have the drummer come in the night before the first session and go through and tune the drums with/for the drummer first. Change heads, move mics around, etc. This saves hours during the session and hearing a well tuned kit always gets the band excited. It's as much psychological as it is practical. When the band feels like you are taking care of business, they feel a lot more relaxed that their money is being well spent.
5. Have DAW templates. I couldn't agree more with the person who mentioned this above. I have templates for a couple different setups so I can boot it up, load the template and I'm ready to go. Each instrument has pre-determined tracks that I set them on with bussing already set up for headphone mixes and stems. The patchbay is already set for each instrument and bus and is set to the outboard that I like. Sometimes I'll change it on the fly but most of the time, not.
6. Know your gear! This touches on the mic thing above, but know all your gear and how you use it. Again, this is another one of those places that people who don't do this very much will say silly stuff like "I always start fresh for every band" or something. Balderdash! Even if you "reset" all your gear and plugs to 0, you'll instinctively start turning knobs and flipping switches right back to pretty close to what you had set. That's called "your sound". Everyone has one eventually and that's why different pros have different sounds even with the same gear, and each one is very noticeable. I stopped pretending that I gave everybody a fresh slate and just left a lot a gear set to where I like it and use it often. I embraced the fact that my gear has a sound and my settings are my sound.
7. No serious drinking or doing drugs in the studio while on studio time. A shot or a beer or something to loosen up a tense player is cool, but that band member swilling a half bottle of JD before he's doing his parts isn't going to happen. Also, that dude that runs outside every 10 minutes for "fresh air" isn't happening either. If you are a cigarette smoker, you'll say that you're going for a "smoke". A person who goes for "fresh air" or "a break" is usually doing drugs. Chances are, they'll end up too fucked up to play or they'll end up fucking something in the studio up. If you want to hang out after a session and smoke some green and help me put everything up while talking about stuff, that's cool. If not, go home. If you are doing something harder than a little weed, I'm going to ask you to leave. Luckly, I'm 6'3" 250lbs so I can do that kinda thing and people usually do as I ask.
8. Keep the atmosphere light. Tell jokes, talk about stuff. Have plenty of reading material and games and stuff. Bored people who are sitting around with their heads in their phones/tablets/gizmos aren't going to inspire performances. Uninspired performances lead to retakes. Retakes lead to boredom. Boredom leads to uninspired retakes.. and the circle starts again. You are the leader of the session. Sit up and manage that session in all aspects. Keep things moving and keep people excited to be there as much as you can. You'll be amazed when you get word-of-mouth reviews where someone has told someone else to come to your studio because "you're awesome and inspiring" or stuff like that instead of just getting a good sound. A lot of people get good sounds these days. You gotta go above and beyond and make the people want to come back for the good experience. It makes people work harder and faster if nothing else.
9. Tell the truth, tactfully. It's going to happen. The singer is going to ask you what you thought of the take he/she just did. They *want* to hear that it was the most wonderful thing that you've ever heard. You think it sounds like two birds fucking and then getting run over by a car. How do you get the singer to do another take without murdering their self-image and effectively shutting down any hope of a good retake? Truth and tact. I find that it's always best to stick to the facts, jack. Instead of blurting out "it stunk, do it again", focus on something like "when you sang ________ I think the S is too much, can you try it a bit softer" and stuff like that. Give them something to work on getting better instead of just being overall negative. It works more often than not. Oh and put some reverb on the vocal headphone mix. Works every time.
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Post by Ward on Aug 8, 2013 8:40:55 GMT -6
Doing some kind of exercise. A major one. If i don't, my mood gets worse as the sessions keep coming. I ride my bike to the studio. It's not a 2 hour workout (wow) but it keeps my head (relatively) in order. Along these lines I would say, for me, not rehearsing with my band because of work for too long screws my head up in a similar way to not exercising. Well, I'm 48 now. If I don't keep serious about exercise and diet, I'll start to age - normally. I can't have that. Being out of shape, getting sick or feeble or just slowing down is not going to do much for me. I have to keep working until I can't work any more... 60 years from now or so, if I'm lucky. And since our work is so sedentary, it's necessary to exercise as much as possible. It's really not that hard. Maybe we should start an off-topic thread about diet and exercise for the working studio person. Back on topic: TEMPLATES! They are a MUST!!
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 8, 2013 8:42:37 GMT -6
I just turned 40...and I'm getting (more) fat...gotta start shedding some pounds...
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 8, 2013 8:56:47 GMT -6
This is a cool thread! So far i've learned that popping a percocet, shot of jack, feet up on the console pad and a smoke, were bad ideas?.... It's been a long time since i've tracked and mixed bands, but i do have tons of tac scorpion channel strip sheets and sessions notes from the tape days somewhere around here! My TT patch bay w/plenty of normals was my biggest time saver. Very useful thread fella's T
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Post by cenafria on Aug 8, 2013 9:19:59 GMT -6
DAW templates are important. I normally use the computer as a tape machine, so my template is a simple 24 tracks with outputs assigned to channels on the desk.
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Post by cenafria on Aug 8, 2013 9:23:04 GMT -6
Doing some kind of exercise. A major one. If i don't, my mood gets worse as the sessions keep coming. I ride my bike to the studio. It's not a 2 hour workout (wow) but it keeps my head (relatively) in order. Along these lines I would say, for me, not rehearsing with my band because of work for too long screws my head up in a similar way to not exercising. Well, I'm 48 now. If I don't keep serious about exercise and diet, I'll start to age - normally. I can't have that. Being out of shape, getting sick or feeble or just slowing down is not going to do much for me. I have to keep working until I can't work any more... 60 years from now or so, if I'm lucky. And since our work is so sedentary, it's necessary to exercise as much as possible. It's really not that hard. Maybe we should start an off-topic thread about diet and exercise for the working studio person. Back on topic: TEMPLATES! They are a MUST!! I'm 40... I'm all for that diet and exercise thread.
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Post by cenafria on Aug 8, 2013 9:25:26 GMT -6
My TT patch bay w/plenty of normals was my biggest time saver. Normals in the patchbay, a must. I can split the signal in three places in each channel in the console. It gets used so often I don't even think about it!
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Post by svart on Aug 8, 2013 10:16:39 GMT -6
When I switched to using TT patchbays, everything I do became 30% faster. My amps use tie lines to the live room and all my mic patchbay points are XLR/TRS. I can loop and tie anything. It's great.
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Post by cenafria on Aug 8, 2013 12:42:13 GMT -6
2. Having "go to" mics that you know the sound of. I'm going to shoot you straight here, most people get caught up in the whole overblown "right mic for the job" and end up with too many damn choices for everything and end up in "analysis paralysis" trying all these combinations of everything and wasting time. Pick a couple of known workhorse mics for each instrument you intend to record and learn those mics well. Learn every possible position and trick for these few mics and it'll go a lot further than buying mic after mic, hoping for some magic bullet. One thing you'll always see when you study the pros, they have about 5-8 mics they use for every recording, and you already know what they are.. I agree that tried and true methods should be the first thing to attempt during a session. And as you say, there is no magic bullet, only good microphone choice and technique. And it is of little use to have many mics if you don't know them intimately. There are a few mics that work so well for certain applications (the 4038 for tenor sax comes to mind) that it puts a big smile on your face when yo put up the fader
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Post by svart on Aug 8, 2013 12:53:18 GMT -6
Well, I did say workhorse mics. I mean, if you do tenor sax a lot (which I've never done and don't know if I'll ever do) and the 4038 is known as a go-to mic in the tenor sax recording world, then by all means, use it! But that's what I mean. It's now your go-to mic.
I can't tell you how often I've read threads at the-place-that-shall-not-be-named and other recording websites that has a daily/weekly/monthly new favorite esoteric snare/guitar/marimba mic and all the dudes that buy it and rave and 6 months later you see piles of them in the classifieds and the same dudes buying the newest mic-du-jour. It's the same thing I see with most other gear, lack of usage knowledge leads the person on a goose chase for tone, that a little practice could have solved without spending wild amounts of money on hype.
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Post by jazznoise on Aug 8, 2013 14:29:26 GMT -6
Pre-Production and a musician who doesn't mind playing assistant for a while. I try and make it interesting for them.
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