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Post by indiehouse on Oct 3, 2024 16:55:44 GMT -6
They seem to be on sale a lot. Don’t get me wrong, I like it when the price on cool gear goes down and not up. But dag man. A V3A today cost $579. I bought mine a couple years ago for 800 each. Drang it!
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 3, 2024 17:12:06 GMT -6
They seem to be on sale a lot. Don’t get me wrong, I like it when the price on cool gear goes down and not up. But dag man. A V3A today cost $579. I bought mine a couple years ago for 800 each. Drang it! Here in the UK they're more expensive than ever!
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Post by bluesholyman on Oct 3, 2024 17:27:01 GMT -6
Could just be clearing out old stock on things that haven't moved as well as others, making room for new products.
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Post by smashlord on Oct 4, 2024 14:33:55 GMT -6
They seem to be on sale a lot. Don’t get me wrong, I like it when the price on cool gear goes down and not up. But dag man. A V3A today cost $579. I bought mine a couple years ago for 800 each. Drang it! I am glad someone else is noticing this and mentioning it..... I, too, bought several pieces for about 25% (sometimes even more) than what they are selling for now. Factor in inflation since I purchased them and it's probably closer to 30%. Sales are a part of business and I understand why they are necessary but when things are on sale every week, it's effectively a price drop. Besides the never good feeling that you overpaid for something, it does make a current owner ask the question "If they are still able to have a margin @ 25% off usual prices, how much of what I paid went into the build of the unit itself?" Also, if you base your livelihood off of audio engineering and look at any gear purchase as a business asset/investment, there is always the possibility of having to sell something one day. Seeing a manufacturer significantly devaluing their own product makes one hesitant to purchase more of their products. As I said in another thread the other day, I am interested in their 33609, but knowing their sales practices, I am extremely hesitant to purchase one. It's an example of why in economics it is said that deflation can be more detrimental to an economy than inflation.... Could just be clearing out old stock on things that haven't moved as well as others, making room for new products. It seems to be almost across the board.
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Post by skav on Oct 4, 2024 15:27:45 GMT -6
They seem to be on sale a lot. Don’t get me wrong, I like it when the price on cool gear goes down and not up. But dag man. A V3A today cost $579. I bought mine a couple years ago for 800 each. Drang it! I am glad someone else is noticing this and mentioning it..... I, too, bought several pieces for about 25% (sometimes even more) than what they are selling for now. Factor in inflation since I purchased them and it's probably closer to 30%. Sales are a part of business and I understand why they are necessary but when things are on sale every week, it's effectively a price drop. Besides the never good feeling that you overpaid for something, it does make a current owner ask the question "If they are still able to have a margin @ 25% off usual prices, how much of what I paid went into the build of the unit itself?" Also, if you base your livelihood off of audio engineering and look at any gear purchase as a business asset/investment, there is always the possibility of having to sell something one day. Seeing a manufacturer significantly devaluing their own product makes one hesitant to purchase more of their products. As I said in another thread the other day, I am interested in their 33609, but knowing their sales practices, I am extremely hesitant to purchase one. It's an example of why in economics it is said that deflation can be more detrimental to an economy than inflation.... Could just be clearing out old stock on things that haven't moved as well as others, making room for new products. It seems to be almost across the board. I say give them a break. Maybe they are having a tough time and feel like they need a real bait to keep sales flowing, who knows.
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Post by smashlord on Oct 4, 2024 18:56:06 GMT -6
I am glad someone else is noticing this and mentioning it..... I, too, bought several pieces for about 25% (sometimes even more) than what they are selling for now. Factor in inflation since I purchased them and it's probably closer to 30%. Sales are a part of business and I understand why they are necessary but when things are on sale every week, it's effectively a price drop. Besides the never good feeling that you overpaid for something, it does make a current owner ask the question "If they are still able to have a margin @ 25% off usual prices, how much of what I paid went into the build of the unit itself?" Also, if you base your livelihood off of audio engineering and look at any gear purchase as a business asset/investment, there is always the possibility of having to sell something one day. Seeing a manufacturer significantly devaluing their own product makes one hesitant to purchase more of their products. As I said in another thread the other day, I am interested in their 33609, but knowing their sales practices, I am extremely hesitant to purchase one. It's an example of why in economics it is said that deflation can be more detrimental to an economy than inflation.... It seems to be almost across the board. I say give them a break. Maybe they are having a tough time and feel like they need a real bait to keep sales flowing, who knows. I think they are a good company, so it's not about giving anyone a hard time but sharing feedback as a consumer.
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Post by prene1 on Oct 4, 2024 23:07:50 GMT -6
Well, it’s like those of us who brought into UA.
Look at the prices now.
It is what it is. We were early adopters.
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Post by copperx on Oct 4, 2024 23:52:13 GMT -6
On one hand, it's great. I’ll be able to afford more of their gear, and others can try out some nice analog stuff.
On the other hand, while gear isn’t an investment, it’s still parked money that you hope won’t lose too much value when you sell it years down the line. If you’re keeping it forever, that’s fine. But many of us buy and sell gear when we’re chasing a different sound. This potential loss can make you lean toward the more expensive brands.
At the same time, I hate that some gear, like the Distressor, hasn’t dropped in price after almost 30 years. I’d love to have eight of them. Looking at the circuit, I’m sure the BOM is pretty low. But at least you know you won’t take a huge loss selling a used Distressor.
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Post by plinker on Oct 4, 2024 23:53:40 GMT -6
I’ve never seen the V3A go below $599 (on sale). That’s what I paid for my pair. Right now they’re selling for $699.
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Post by theshea on Oct 5, 2024 0:06:30 GMT -6
while there‘s a lot to criticize stam audio, his pricing is excellent. early buyer get a great pre-order price and than prices do increase. so yeah, you will wait a long time for it but once you receive it and want to re-sell, you would get more money than you paid for. and because people often don‘t want to wait to much for stam gear, used and available stam gear has high price.
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Post by 79sg on Oct 5, 2024 4:56:54 GMT -6
This is not directed at Audioscape, it's a general observation, most consumers are finished, tapped out, food and shelter take up an enormous part of their income so it's a matter of economic survival for them. The monetary experiment we have lived under for decades is in its terminal phase. Sorry but it's true. Buckle up, it's gonna be one heck of a scary ride for most.
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Post by christophert on Oct 5, 2024 6:43:59 GMT -6
This is not directed at Audioscape, it's a general observation, most consumers are finished, tapped out, food and shelter take up an enormous part of their income so it's a matter of economic survival for them. The monetary experiment we have lived under for decades is in its terminal phase. Sorry but it's true. Buckle up, it's gonna be one heck of a scary ride for most. Yeah - that is one way of observing things. If you took everything away from a lot of artists - they would still find a way make art, and survive.
Artists make art through famine and war. We need tools.
As far as Audioscape > they can now charge what they like, cause I LOVE their stereo spring
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Post by FM77 on Oct 5, 2024 7:26:48 GMT -6
This is not directed at Audioscape, it's a general observation, most consumers are finished, tapped out, food and shelter take up an enormous part of their income so it's a matter of economic survival for them. The monetary experiment we have lived under for decades is in its terminal phase. Sorry but it's true. Buckle up, it's gonna be one heck of a scary ride for most. Buckle up, 'the future is bleak and the end is near' has been the running doom and gloom dialogue for decades. For as long as I have been alive. We certainly are hyper smacked acrossed the face with it now with the never ending frenzy of constant news even at the gas pump. Living paycheck to paycheck is a human tradition, an American tradition generally based on many factors.
As for Audioscape and others - my own observation after watching this unfold over the decades is the insanely over saturated world market of clone gear; guitars, pro audio, effects etc should be imploding on itself to some degree, and by it's own devices. Sellers are desperate, prices are lower. And the old adage buy in Summer, sell in Winter, is still relevant for us. Either way, its overdue and a relief for all of us in the end as the ridiculousness of it all finds level ground eventually.
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Post by 79sg on Oct 5, 2024 8:03:05 GMT -6
Yeah, didn't say the end is near, said we are in the terminal phase of a monetary experiment, a bit different although for many it may feel like the end. Maybe I'm the dumbest person to post on this board (I don't post often). Anyhow, I agree with the insanely saturated world of not just the clone market but most things. It's just where we are.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 5, 2024 8:08:50 GMT -6
lies, damn lies and statistics !
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Post by FM77 on Oct 5, 2024 8:29:06 GMT -6
Yeah, didn't say the end is near, said we are in the terminal phase of a monetary experiment, a bit different although for many it may feel like the end. Maybe I'm the dumbest person to post on this board (I don't post often). Anyhow, I agree with the insanely saturated world of not just the clone market but most things. It's just where we are. It wasn't a direct correlation by intent, just an extension of the conversation. When Audioscape announced their 'constant ordering' change of business model in June, my only comment was - I have been in the gear industry long enough to know that changing your marketing method and public perception (less waiting and less FOMO) can often have the opposite effect for a boutique company. And for clones? When supply is available, demand can drop and perceived value can drop. It is no easy gap to bridge for a company without losing something along the way. I hope it works for them. Perceived value equates to actual street value. Going to have to wait and get through the first bumps of the new track they are running on.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 5, 2024 12:00:55 GMT -6
Hmm, how many are reducing prices ?
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Post by plinker on Oct 5, 2024 12:27:55 GMT -6
"disposable" income -- I love how they refer to it.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 5, 2024 12:31:06 GMT -6
Well, “real” means controlled for inflation or after inflation, so that’s your actual income you can use or dispose of: the amounts you pay in taxes are not actually discretionary.
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Post by notneeson on Oct 5, 2024 12:47:48 GMT -6
If you're selling direct to consumer, with little to no marketing budget, word of mouth via sales/price drops is your main tactic for moving the needle.
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Post by hadaja on Oct 5, 2024 14:09:17 GMT -6
Sales in our country have slowed down drastically over the last 2-3 years. With the cost of running a business not coming down but increasing you have to make choices about how to move your product. Lowering prices and making less money is just one way you do this. Not making any specific judgements but there would be a truck load of audio businesses out there on the verge of shutting up. This is a global issue. Reverb is regularly having 15% off sales where they were not before and they dont produce anything. I wouldnt be surprised to see some impressive Black Friday sales from people like Stam , Audioscape and others. Disclaimer: I am not connected or a current customer with Stam or Audioscape but I do have a Reverb account.
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Post by ericn on Oct 5, 2024 14:43:14 GMT -6
Yeah the problem like typical economic statistics is they don’t show WHO is making those gains. The overal wealth growth at the top income levels infers that the disposable income growth is probably also concentrated at the top. in other words overall in broad view yeah there is growth in disposable income, for the top 1-5 percent. The interesting thing would be to see a breakdown at various income levels, nobody wants to see it because based on what most are saying growth at the top are seeing that growth at the expense of the rest.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 5, 2024 15:00:24 GMT -6
Hmm, not certain I agree with that analysis, as real disposable income data would be nationally aggregated . While I recognize there are huge income discrepancies between the richest and essentially everyone else, I think the aggregation tends to control for that.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 5, 2024 15:12:55 GMT -6
Households with the highest income represent the minority of US households . This should imply that aggregated disposable income data would tend to be more representative of the non high income group as they represent the clear majority. I agree that weighted personal income change by broad income levels would be most revealing, but I think the household data still tells a story? In effect, the highest income households in the states are outliers: valid data but not typically representative as they are atypical. Attachments:
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Post by ericn on Oct 5, 2024 15:14:04 GMT -6
Hmm, not certain I agree with that analysis, as real disposable income data would be nationally aggregated . While I recognize there are huge income discrepancies between the richest and essentially everyone else, I think the aggregation tends to control for that. The concentration tends to negate that, plus the poorer seam to be experiencing inflation far more than the higher end. Throw in the fact that the higher end customers have a higher tendency to save.
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