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Post by doubledog on Oct 1, 2024 22:05:03 GMT -6
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Post by Tbone81 on Oct 1, 2024 22:28:02 GMT -6
Saw this and I thought it was a little unclear whether it’s the same exact mic (capsule/transfomer). It’s weird that it’s priced lower than a normal 421 when this one seems to be better?
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Post by doubledog on Oct 2, 2024 8:20:34 GMT -6
Yeah, the lower price was nice too. I'm sure it's not exactly the same - even if the capsule and transformer were the same, the body changed, which will likely change the sound. But more likely, they took the chance to modernize (aka "cost reduce") the whole thing. Sennheiser is not really even the same company as they were when the MD 421 (or the 421 II) came out, so I expect it has all changed. Btw, nothing on the Sennheiser page for that mic even mentions the word "transformer", so I would not be surprised if they removed it entirely (definitely adds cost and requires a bit more real-estate vs transformerless).
I'm definitely curious to hear them though.
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Post by andersmv on Oct 2, 2024 8:24:22 GMT -6
I saw pictures of an acoustic chamber in the original 421. I had no idea they had one in there, it's not a mic I've used a lot or know well. I've only used them on toms and guitar amps at bigger studios when the musicians were "opinionated". Never really liked them that much, it was more a "sure Ringo, we'll throw your picture up on the fridge" kind of thing because some people want it done the same way every time. A lot of those "why did they even bother hiring me?" moments when I've had to pull out a 421  . I should probably give them a fair shakedown again and see if my opinion has changed. I had someone bring in one of the older creme colored ones that wanted to try it on acoustic guitar during a session, it actually sounded really good for the more retro/older sounding song we were doing. |
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Post by ericn on Oct 2, 2024 9:34:14 GMT -6
Saw this and I thought it was a little unclear whether it’s the same exact mic (capsule/transfomer). It’s weird that it’s priced lower than a normal 421 when this one seems to be better? m They found a cheaper way to build it ! Sometimes a physical redesign that makes it easier to build with automation is worth more than part substitutions. |
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Post by andersmv on Oct 2, 2024 9:44:44 GMT -6
Saw this and I thought it was a little unclear whether it’s the same exact mic (capsule/transfomer). It’s weird that it’s priced lower than a normal 421 when this one seems to be better? m They found a cheaper way to build it ! Sometimes a physical redesign that makes it easier to build with automation is worth more than part substitutions. Ya, looks like they're using the mounting from the 602 and a few other mics. I'm sure that was WAY easier and cheaper to implement compared to the archaic and horrible vintage clip mount rage fuel thing... |
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Post by drumsound on Oct 2, 2024 11:06:38 GMT -6
Ditching the filter must save a good bit of $ and time in the build
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Post by ericn on Oct 2, 2024 12:29:22 GMT -6
Ditching the filter must save a good bit of $ and time in the build Yeah I’m sure they figured out most people have never moved the switch but, I always wondered if they really checked to make sure everyone had the switch in the same position 😁 |
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Post by andersmv on Oct 2, 2024 12:53:27 GMT -6
Ditching the filter must save a good bit of $ and time in the build Yeah I’m sure they figured out most people have never moved the switch but, I always wondered if they really checked to make sure everyone had the switch in the same position 😁 I used to work in the equipment room at a recording school, all the students had to come back to us to get microphones for sessions. We had quite a few matched pairs of large cap microphones, I would always switch the patterns around on them to see who noticed and who didn't. The first week of a new semester was always fun, because most of them wouldn't notice that one was in omni and the other in figure 8. They would bring them back after a session and I would start small talk about what they were up to, "So, what did you use the U87 pair on?" as I went through everything to make sure it was all there. "Did you check the patterns on them?". It always destroyed them the first time, but they ALWAYS checked from then on . The funniest one was one of the guys that was always on top of stuff and was an amazing student. I would do little things to screw with him and he would almost always catch them, it was a fun game. We had two Neumann M147's that very rarely got checked out together as a pair. He came back like an hour into his session with the two mic bodies and said "I know you f***ed with the high pass in one of these, but I don't want to take it apart". I had no clue what he was talking about, I didn't even know there were internal switches inside the body on the 147 for a HPF and a pad . We took them apart and sure enough, the HPF was engaged inside one of them, I have no idea if someone did it and didn't say anything of if they had been that way for years. I stopped messing with him after that, he got a permanent gold star... |
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Post by ericn on Oct 2, 2024 13:09:30 GMT -6
Yeah I’m sure they figured out most people have never moved the switch but, I always wondered if they really checked to make sure everyone had the switch in the same position 😁 I used to work in the equipment room at a recording school, all the students had to come back to us to get microphones for sessions. We had quite a few matched pairs of large cap microphones, I would always switch the patterns around on them to see who noticed and who didn't. The first week of a new semester was always fun, because most of them wouldn't notice that one was in omni and the other in figure 8. They would bring them back after a session and I would start small talk about what they were up to, "So, what did you use the U87 pair on?" as I went through everything to make sure it was all there. "Did you check the patterns on them?". It always destroyed them the first time, but they ALWAYS checked from then on . The funniest one was one of the guys that was always on top of stuff and was an amazing student. I would do little things to screw with him and he would almost always catch them, it was a fun game. We had two Neumann M147's that very rarely got checked out together as a pair. He came back like an hour into his session with the two mic bodies and said "I know you f***ed with the high pass in one of these, but I don't want to take it apart". I had no clue what he was talking about, I didn't even know there were internal switches inside the body on the 147 for a HPF and a pad . We took them apart and sure enough, the HPF was engaged inside one of them, I have no idea if someone did it and didn't say anything of if they had been that way for years. I stopped messing with him after that, he got a permanent gold star... Matt your evil, and I love it😎 |
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Post by notneeson on Oct 2, 2024 16:16:42 GMT -6
Yeah I’m sure they figured out most people have never moved the switch but, I always wondered if they really checked to make sure everyone had the switch in the same position 😁 I used to work in the equipment room at a recording school, all the students had to come back to us to get microphones for sessions. We had quite a few matched pairs of large cap microphones, I would always switch the patterns around on them to see who noticed and who didn't. The first week of a new semester was always fun, because most of them wouldn't notice that one was in omni and the other in figure 8. They would bring them back after a session and I would start small talk about what they were up to, "So, what did you use the U87 pair on?" as I went through everything to make sure it was all there. "Did you check the patterns on them?". It always destroyed them the first time, but they ALWAYS checked from then on . The funniest one was one of the guys that was always on top of stuff and was an amazing student. I would do little things to screw with him and he would almost always catch them, it was a fun game. We had two Neumann M147's that very rarely got checked out together as a pair. He came back like an hour into his session with the two mic bodies and said "I know you f***ed with the high pass in one of these, but I don't want to take it apart". I had no clue what he was talking about, I didn't even know there were internal switches inside the body on the 147 for a HPF and a pad . We took them apart and sure enough, the HPF was engaged inside one of them, I have no idea if someone did it and didn't say anything of if they had been that way for years. I stopped messing with him after that, he got a permanent gold star... I have one here on long term loan. It’s not a bad mic despite its rep. |
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Post by ericn on Oct 2, 2024 16:22:48 GMT -6
I used to work in the equipment room at a recording school, all the students had to come back to us to get microphones for sessions. We had quite a few matched pairs of large cap microphones, I would always switch the patterns around on them to see who noticed and who didn't. The first week of a new semester was always fun, because most of them wouldn't notice that one was in omni and the other in figure 8. They would bring them back after a session and I would start small talk about what they were up to, "So, what did you use the U87 pair on?" as I went through everything to make sure it was all there. "Did you check the patterns on them?". It always destroyed them the first time, but they ALWAYS checked from then on . The funniest one was one of the guys that was always on top of stuff and was an amazing student. I would do little things to screw with him and he would almost always catch them, it was a fun game. We had two Neumann M147's that very rarely got checked out together as a pair. He came back like an hour into his session with the two mic bodies and said "I know you f***ed with the high pass in one of these, but I don't want to take it apart". I had no clue what he was talking about, I didn't even know there were internal switches inside the body on the 147 for a HPF and a pad . We took them apart and sure enough, the HPF was engaged inside one of them, I have no idea if someone did it and didn't say anything of if they had been that way for years. I stopped messing with him after that, he got a permanent gold star... I have one here on long term loan. It’s not a bad mix despite its rep. It’s not a bad mic, it’s just like the original Fet47 & 149 they tried to sell it as a new better version of the classic to those of us who where dealers, those who didn’t get a chance to use it did so embarrassing our selves. |
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Post by notneeson on Oct 2, 2024 16:33:36 GMT -6
I have one here on long term loan. It’s not a bad mix despite its rep. It’s not a bad mic, it’s just like the original Fet47 & 149 they tried to sell it as a new better version of the classic to those of us who where dealers, those who didn’t get a chance to use it did so embarrassing our selves. Marketing for the non-W. |
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Post by Ward on Oct 3, 2024 18:55:25 GMT -6
Nice that it's compact and with the mount, easy to position . . . but it's still going to have that same AWFUL off-axis pickup. 421s are lovely for toms and horns if you can get isolation! I have 7 of them. But any cymbal bleed or other horn bleed is GROSS.
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Post by smashlord on Oct 4, 2024 13:22:34 GMT -6
Nice that it's compact and with the mount, easy to position . . . but it's still going to have that same AWFUL off-axis pickup. 421s are lovely for toms and horns if you can get isolation! I have 7 of them. But any cymbal bleed or other horn bleed is GROSS. After running the gamut of tom mics, I realized the 421s just do a thing and its worth the extra time cutting up the tom tracks or re-inforce with samples from the session. |
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Post by ericn on Oct 4, 2024 14:46:19 GMT -6
Last night at the bar ran into a friend who does lots of SR, had to show him these & first need to look at the price of the Kompact / the price of 421 clips but we were talking how cool a side address version would be & yes if you could get 90% of the tone in a tighter pattern Ward.
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Post by ericn on Oct 4, 2024 14:58:29 GMT -6
OK MAP for the Kompact is 299 map for a MZD421 421 clip is $36.11 so the new mic is 8.3x the price of the clip that you will never loose or break again plus in a standard brief case you can fit 2-4 more, man I would be cold calling every customer with more than a pair of 421’s ! And any time someone wanted a clip I would be pushing this new mic.
Hunch your going to see a ton of 421’s without clips for sale used, there are also a bunch of files for 3D printing either the standard clip or the rare 441 like slip in clip for the 421!
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Post by smashlord on Oct 4, 2024 21:12:58 GMT -6
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