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Post by geoff738 on Sept 16, 2024 19:58:56 GMT -6
Personally I’ve hewed to the almost so low you can barely hear the lowest volume stuff. But that was on monitors.
Now that I am mostly on phones, I find myself using a louder level, but still not particularly loud.
what works best for you?
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by copperx on Sept 16, 2024 20:41:19 GMT -6
Yes.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Sept 16, 2024 20:43:30 GMT -6
I just can't bring myself to mix at super low volume. I'm not loud either. I'd say I'm at comfortable listening volume, maybe a tad louder due to too many years on stage!
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Post by doubledog on Sept 16, 2024 20:56:07 GMT -6
My Apollo 16 was usually on -22dB, which is pretty moderate. not loud, but not quiet. But... I would listen briefly on louder and much quieter levels too (quiet listening was always can I hear the drums and the vocal still? ok, now turn it back up). Headphones same. If I use VSX, it's usually only moderate volume.
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Post by skav on Sept 16, 2024 21:14:17 GMT -6
My experience: listening too loud creates a compression effect in the brain, causing a loss of sense of balance. I did this mistake alot in the beginning, as I was so focused on the low end.
In my humble amateur opinion it is valuable to sometimes turn the volume down very low to determine overall balance. At low volume, can you still hear everything clear and balanced?
It can be revealing to turn up and down volume as one goes through the mixing process to hear how it translates at differing volumes. Safest is to just mix at a low comfortable level though. Prevents ear fatigue too!
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Post by geoff738 on Sept 16, 2024 21:18:43 GMT -6
I think that is a very good point. Listen at a bunch of different volumes. Kick Fletcher Munsun (sp) to the curb. At least sometimes.
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 17, 2024 2:00:13 GMT -6
The volume from headphones is hard to calibrate .... so one has to be careful as it's easy to cause long term hearing damage with drivers so close to your ears! Only use moderate levels long term!
Personally, I've never mixed on headphones but on my studio monitors I use an SPL meter and calibrated monitoring (K14) my SPL meter is set to C weighted SLOW and shows around 77dB when I'm mixing.
I'll go lower than this and very occasionally higher than this - but generally I stick to this fairly moderate level - it allows me to do long hours without hearing fatuige.
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Post by nick8801 on Sept 17, 2024 3:47:46 GMT -6
Here’s my take….Find your comfortable listening level when you’re playing your favorite music through your monitors. Mark that spot on your volume controller. This is where your ears like to hear/feel music. When you mix, leave the volume controller in that spot. If you have to add a limiter to your session to get up to that level then do it. That way you’re mimicking the way you like to hear music. You should be able to make an emotionally impactful mix at that level. You may have to crank it up at times to hear other details in the music, but always return to “home”. I like to turn it down relatively soft as well, but I also mark that spot as my background music listening level. I’ll even walk around my room with it low like that and clean or grab a guitar or something just to get into the same routines I would be doing with background music on in the studio. It’s all about feeling, and I don’t like to get too wrapped up in things like, my monitors must be 85dB or something like that. Actually, it turns out 85dB is around where my listening level is, but I don’t look for that number. Just the spots marked on the volume knob.
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Post by jaba on Sept 17, 2024 5:12:10 GMT -6
My experience: listening too loud creates a compression effect in the brain, causing a loss of sense of balance. I did this mistake alot in the beginning, as I was so focused on the low end. In my humble amateur opinion it is valuable to sometimes turn the volume down very low to determine overall balance. At low volume, can you still hear everything clear and balanced? It can be revealing to turn up and down volume as one goes through the mixing process to hear how it translates at differing volumes. This is my experience as well. While at some point in a mix I'll end up listening at varying levels, much of the time it's LOW. I get a better balance that feels best wherever I play it back. Best way for me to set compression too. A few loud playbacks hit the other side of the coin, impact and checking if any frequencies poke out and distract.
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Post by theshea on Sept 17, 2024 5:51:32 GMT -6
around 80db. but i turn the volume down and up from time to time and maybe mix 50:50 between one mono mixcube and my dynaudio lyd48‘s. i attended a pro mixer and he mixed really really low for my taste all the time. he said he mixes all day long and only mixing low he can do it all day long without getting tired ears. i tried it. it was to low for me. so its really sonething very personal.
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Post by nick8801 on Sept 17, 2024 6:08:00 GMT -6
around 80db. but i turn the volume down and up from time to time and maybe mix 50:50 between one mono mixcube and my dynaudio lyd48‘s. i attended a pro mixer and he mixed really really low for my taste all the time. he said he mixes all day long and only mixing low he can do it all day long without getting tired ears. i tried it. it was to low for me. so its really sonething very personal. +1 on mixing low if I have a lot of work to do. Same goes for recording/producing. Gotta protect those ears!
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Post by svart on Sept 17, 2024 6:49:37 GMT -6
Not sure what the dB level is, but for the monitors it's not so low I have trouble hearing anything, but it's not so loud that I can't clearly hear people talking next to me.
For phones, it's about the same apparent level I guess. Not very loud but not too soft that I can't hear some things.
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Post by drumsound on Sept 17, 2024 7:58:43 GMT -6
Generally, I trained myself to be in the 80-85db range early on. I had read that was the sweet spot for actually hearing purely, without the brain filling in or filtering things out. I often listen at lower levels as well. If I crank it I usually am on the couch in the back, or out in the live room listening off axis and purposefully distracted.
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Post by mcirish on Sept 17, 2024 8:08:38 GMT -6
I mix at a conversational level and double check the mix around 85dB occasionally. I just can't mix at loud volumes for extended periods of time. I've found that if everything is clear and balanced at a very low mix volume, it usually translates to louder levels well. I tend to have to adjust the sub frequencies when playing louder. I'd also like to think I'm protecting the hearing I have left.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Sept 17, 2024 8:40:07 GMT -6
I mix at a conversational level and double check the mix around 85dB occasionally. I just can't mix at loud volumes for extended periods of time. I've found that if everything is clear and balanced at a very low mix volume, it usually translates to louder levels well. I tend to have to adjust the sub frequencies when playing louder. I'd also like to think I'm protecting the hearing I have left. Hmm... if conversational level is "low" then maybe I do mix at low volumes. Maybe I'm not aware of how loud some folks mix? All I know is that if I try to mix all day at what I feel is "low", I end up leaning forward towards the monitors and invariably end the day with terrible neck/back pain from the strain.
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Post by deaconblues on Sept 17, 2024 8:54:59 GMT -6
I’ve been experimenting with lower volume for the bulk of my mixing lately with really good results. I crank it after I’ve got everything balanced and fine tune to finish.
A few observations: I keep an eye on the low end’s energy, but don’t obsess over it until it’s loud.
When adjusting saturation at very high levels, I don’t think I’m able to appropriately hear the differences and usually overdo it. When the volume levels come down, it sounds overcooked.
If the volume is too low, my ears strain differently and I may over-EQ or compress because I’m really just looking for more overall volume. So, finding the right low level is vital.
It seems like my reverb usage is more tasteful, I think because I’m paying more attention to the tails as the volume comes up later in the process.
My mixes are translating waaaay better on small speakers / phones, etc.
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 17, 2024 8:59:14 GMT -6
80db spl, constantly checking well above and below, since Bob O made the suggestion years ago, i set the volume very low and step outside the door to make sure i can hear all the important elements clearly, that has become a staple for me
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Post by bossanova on Sept 17, 2024 11:27:45 GMT -6
I don't mix as much on monitors anymore but when I did I went with a modified version of the Bob Katz fixed level at -23 LUFS (85 dbC, slow weighted) and adjusted for near field monitors and what was actually comfortable for my smaller room. I think that ended up being 70 dBC.
I usually listen quieter though. That's just the level to where Fletcher Munson didn't feel like an issue.
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Post by andtide on Sept 17, 2024 20:23:01 GMT -6
75-77ish DB at the listening position mostly. I’ll check at 80-85 if I feel I’m pretty much done. If I’m on that level of db for spl for more than ten minutes- I still have work to do- back to lower levels.
I find it room dependent. On an A room where I had the pleasure of quested and genelec three and four way mid and bigs I monitored a little louder.
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Post by jaba on Sept 18, 2024 9:57:12 GMT -6
I find it room dependent. On an A room where I had the pleasure of quested and genelec three and four way mid and bigs I monitored a little louder. This is a good point. From my experience subpar acoustics can be tiring and monitoring at a lower level seems to be one way to keep some of the bad acoustic issues at bay.
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Post by M57 on Sept 18, 2024 12:42:24 GMT -6
When it's heavily crushed, my ears start to bleed at almost any volume level after just a few minutes. I think dynamics need to be part of the equation.
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Post by antbar on Sept 20, 2024 11:05:17 GMT -6
I listen at a pretty moderate volume, both "just because" and also because I have to! I work at home in a converted office. It's a "treated" room, thanks to Amazon, but the combo of new speakers and a room reconfigure has meant there's a nice woofiness that pops out in the low mids when the volume gets too high. Nice. I rely on Slate VSX headphones to help me dial things in.
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 20, 2024 12:03:01 GMT -6
If I’m not mistaken nearfield monitors were designed to take the room out of the equation as contrast to big room monitors, the less spl the less room interaction
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Post by christopher on Sept 20, 2024 12:25:45 GMT -6
Just my R & D.. you can listen whatever volume you want to, on headphones or speakers. Just take a slow sin sweep 20-20k and use ProQ until the sweep is equal loudness. That will show you where the problem areas are. I like a 1-2 min sweep, followed by quicker sweeps. So NS10 (or other small monitor) super quiet + turning up a sub to assist works really well. Conversely loud you won’t need as much sub. And then of course once you know the problem areas, you can bypass the ProQ and turn off the sub, as you learn and understand what will get you in trouble. Same with headphones. This actually flattens to your own hearing issues as well, so there’s that.
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Post by drumsound on Sept 21, 2024 11:17:29 GMT -6
80db spl, constantly checking well above and below, since Bob O made the suggestion years ago, i set the volume very low and step outside the door to make sure i can hear all the important elements clearly, that has become a staple for me Off axis listening is a GREAT (and free) tool that we should all use. I love going out into the live room or even the restroom while a mix runs to see what I do and don't hear compared to being in the sweet spot. I'm also a fan of distracted listening, especially when at one of those "I'm not sure of ___" moments. I'll take my wireless keyboard, and go lie on the couch and check Twitter, or answer emails or play a game. After a little ear brake, I'll start the song and continue screwing around on my phone. If something needs addressing it will often stick out, even though I'm not 'listening' or mixing at that moment.
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