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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 19, 2024 8:46:53 GMT -6
Who is the DSP guru behind this? I looked up the Mixland guys up but they're not DSP people, as far as I can tell (?) It's Kiive Oh no shit? Did not know that. |
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Post by itzprime on Sept 19, 2024 9:19:37 GMT -6
Oh no shit? Did not know that. Yeah which explains why it is so good |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 19, 2024 9:23:25 GMT -6
It changes the tone more than any other plugin I can think of.
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Post by andersmv on Sept 19, 2024 13:10:57 GMT -6
Split M/S on the mix bus is really great. It's really interesting turning the THD down completely on here and comparing. It's made me realize that a lot of times, I'm probably really digging the compression characteristic of Fairchilds but not necessarily the color when putting one over a whole mix. I was not expecting that... I thought all the toobz were supposed to turn me into a "real man" engineer  |
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Post by viciousbliss on Sept 20, 2024 4:49:02 GMT -6
I did a quick comparison with this and the Stamchild MKII. Since they aren't the same thing and don't have the same controls, I just played around with the plugin until I got a result that I thought was hitting with the same intent as I had with the Stam. The goal being to see how the overall quality compared, not if I could get the exact same sound. Upon playing the bounced files in Audacity by hitting the solo button back and forth, I didn't feel like one was in a different league. One was more neutral and a little bit more refined, the other had more mojo. My thinking was the one with more mojo had to be the Stam and it was the Unfair. It sounded like two things that rivaled each other as opposed to one that was massively outclassed. Reminds me of the PQ plugin vs the Massive Passive hardware. The Unfair's highs were definitely more pronounced than the Stam. Sounds more aggressive. This was only one test run. Maybe with more use I will change my mind. The startup time of this plugin is the longest ever though. Same with offline bouncing. No way I could hear it with any oversampling without overloading the cpu and I've only bounced at 16x. It's possible I may change my mind later, but for now I'd say this plugin is a remarkable achievement.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 20, 2024 8:13:22 GMT -6
Sometimes I struggle to hear any tonal changes with plugs…not with this thing.
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Post by wiz on Sept 20, 2024 15:29:44 GMT -6
Sometimes I struggle to hear any tonal changes with plugs…not with this thing. I tried it on my vocal yesterday….vs the UAD. Certainly a different sound. I don’t want to use a negative adjective….so keep that in mind….it was a bit more sizzly. It didn’t really work for that vocal. Could be I am just tooooo familiar with the UAD as I have been using it for years and so familiar with it on my voice. Will give it more of a go today. I have never seen a real Fairchild let alone used one. perhaps the UTA plug has more harmonic distortion…..they certainly have differing operating levels…. Eric…..is there a nominal dBfS that this plug likes to see ? cheers Wiz |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 20, 2024 16:33:46 GMT -6
Sometimes I struggle to hear any tonal changes with plugs…not with this thing. I tried it on my vocal yesterday….vs the UAD. Certainly a different sound. I don’t want to use a negative adjective….so keep that in mind….it was a bit more sizzly. It didn’t really work for that vocal. Could be I am just tooooo familiar with the UAD as I have been using it for years and so familiar with it on my voice. Will give it more of a go today. I have never seen a real Fairchild let alone used one. perhaps the UTA plug has more harmonic distortion…..they certainly have differing operating levels…. Eric…..is there a nominal dBfS that this plug likes to see ? cheers Wiz You can get it cleaner with the THD knob up top. It’s infinitely adjustable with the DC Threshold and attack release. |
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Post by viciousbliss on Sept 20, 2024 18:02:54 GMT -6
This mix I've been testing with is all ITB. I turned the THD up to 14.4 on Unfairchild. At default, it's quite a bit cleaner. Sounds closer to the Stam. I just went through 4 different bounces. Each one has different strengths. The one that's Fusion's 5 modules, VSM-2 in L-R, and Unfairchild followed by my usual plugin chain still sounds about on par with the Stamchild II. Hell, my pure ITB master bounce with VSM-4, Fusion VD and Imager, and Unfairchild in place of 3 or 4 pieces of hardware is almost competitive. Just needs a little deeper lows. Once I have the rest of the Fusion plugs, it could get real interesting. Maybe change a setting on the VSM-4 or PA DSCEQ for now. One thing that really stands out about the Unfairchild is the way it organizes the whole stereo field. I've not really played with the attack and release much since the Stam doesn't have those. If you can adjust the DC Thresh, I didn't see that and should play around with it.
Kinda cracks me up that people on GS are complaining about the price as usual. If this plugin holds up through repeated tests, then it's worth a lot more than $199. This is way better than Acustica Midnight. When I tested that I thought it sounded nice, but not in the same universe as the Stam.
I've got input gain at 8, which is usually where I set the Stam. Thresh at 1, also what I use on the Stam. Constant at 5. On the Stam I go to 6. DC Thresh still at 0 as I was too tired to notice it last night. Sounds more focused with the DC at 5. Turning the THD down to 12.5 gets a little cleaner. The snare doesn't stick out as much with the THD up, you seem to get a little more glue with the THD added for lack of a better description. I had the low dial at 0 on the VSM-4. I'm increasing that to 1.52 and going to 2 on 50hz with the DSCEQ. See how this pure ITB Mix and Master turns out. If I run an errand for 20 minutes, I feel like there's a good chance it will still be bouncing when I get back.
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Post by bobeschism on Sept 21, 2024 4:08:16 GMT -6
Plugin shootout:
Unfairchild vs Puigchild, UAD Fairchild, Acustica Midnight, Slate MU, and KIT BB66/67.
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Post by phantom on Sept 21, 2024 8:37:35 GMT -6
Good shootout. EV really showed, by analysis and comparisons, why he thinks the Unfairchild plugin is better. And I agree with him, actually.
Would love to hear it against the Overloud 670. It's currently the one Fairchild plugin I'm using.
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Post by viciousbliss on Sept 21, 2024 13:51:14 GMT -6
Good shootout. EV really showed, by analysis and comparisons, why he thinks the Unfairchild plugin is better. And I agree with him, actually. Would love to hear it against the Overloud 670. It's currently the one Fairchild plugin I'm using. I've tested the Overloud one a few times. It's good, but the Unfairchild is definitely in another league. It's definitely above the other plugins in this video. One of them got decently close, but others were significantly less. My last experimental bounce with the changes to the VSM-4 and Unfair settings worked for the better. Lots more experimenting to do. I could start changing the settings on the Stam some and see what happens. But with that one, it can feel like too much if I push it more than I usually do. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 21, 2024 14:41:09 GMT -6
Good shootout. EV really showed, by analysis and comparisons, why he thinks the Unfairchild plugin is better. And I agree with him, actually. Would love to hear it against the Overloud 670. It's currently the one Fairchild plugin I'm using. I've tested the Overloud one a few times. It's good, but the Unfairchild is definitely in another league. It's definitely above the other plugins in this video. One of them got decently close, but others were significantly less. My last experimental bounce with the changes to the VSM-4 and Unfair settings worked for the better. Lots more experimenting to do. I could start changing the settings on the Stam some and see what happens. But with that one, it can feel like too much if I push it more than I usually do. Bummed it’s only a 15 day demo. |
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Post by wiz on Sept 21, 2024 14:45:33 GMT -6
I played with it again yesterday and plan to do some more today……it really changes the sound…not talking about compression….but tone…..and I am not so sure I want that. I do like it’s compression action and the way it does MS vs the 670 from UA which codes and decodes within the plug in…
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by andersmv on Sept 21, 2024 16:28:29 GMT -6
I am happy to answer any questions might have about it  I just noticed the reflection of you sitting at your computer on the second VU meter. Do I win a bag of sweetwater candy for noticing the easter egg? |
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Post by phantom on Sept 21, 2024 16:57:44 GMT -6
I played with it again yesterday and plan to do some more today……it really changes the sound…not talking about compression….but tone…..and I am not so sure I want that. I do like it’s compression action and the way it does MS vs the 670 from UA which codes and decodes within the plug in… Cheers Wiz Yeah, that's interesting actually. Because the frequency response of it is flatter than most Fairchild plugins. I wonder what's causing all this box tone. |
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Post by smashlord on Sept 22, 2024 10:07:10 GMT -6
Oh no shit? Did not know that. Yeah which explains why it is so good I don't find their Distressor plug in to be that great at all. Their Compex one is solid, but the bar is pretty low with the Bendeth one. |
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Post by FM77 on Sept 22, 2024 10:52:54 GMT -6
I played with it again yesterday and plan to do some more today……it really changes the sound…not talking about compression….but tone…..and I am not so sure I want that. I do like it’s compression action and the way it does MS vs the 670 from UA which codes and decodes within the plug in… Cheers Wiz This ended up being a big pass for me overall in the contexts that I tried to use it on Friday and Sat with 4 different roots oriented mixes. A bit too much color and drive and too fat. It seems like it puts a film over the track or mix that I would have to work to clean off until it was usable. That was generally after getting the MIX control to about 40% or less. Then it was gluey in a usable way.
I think it has it's place, but I don't think I am going to try and hunt down what that might be yet.
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Post by bgrotto on Sept 22, 2024 11:27:30 GMT -6
Yeah which explains why it is so good I don't find their Distressor plug in to be that great at all. Their Compex one is solid, but the bar is pretty low with the Bendeth one. FWIW, I found that the 'trick' to their distressor plugin is to totally disable the lower section (warmth and saturation), which are on by default. That helps get the thing into a more distressor-like place pretty quick, and then, it does a good job on certain sources. It's definitely better at more midrange-focused stuff, and doesn't react quite as accurately to more LF-heavy stuff (eg - it's quite good at doing a Distreossor thing on snares, but on kicks, it doesn't perform nearly as well) |
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Post by andersmv on Sept 22, 2024 17:58:29 GMT -6
Here's my review of it. Pretty significant difference comparing it to other software. Quite honestly, I would have been happy with and hardware that sounded this good. So many great options, really easy to get some crazy color or back things off and keep the familiar compression characteristic.
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Post by Dan on Sept 22, 2024 18:08:25 GMT -6
Plugin shootout:
Unfairchild vs Puigchild, UAD Fairchild, Acustica Midnight, Slate MU, and KIT BB66/67.
the rising low end noise in the kit is from poor filters, almost certainly single precision direct form biquads. This error will increase at higher sample rates and the filters might become unstable. The original waves q10, some of the overloud, and some of the apogee plugins have this issue. |
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Post by Dan on Sept 22, 2024 19:31:54 GMT -6
I played with it again yesterday and plan to do some more today……it really changes the sound…not talking about compression….but tone…..and I am not so sure I want that. I do like it’s compression action and the way it does MS vs the 670 from UA which codes and decodes within the plug in… Cheers Wiz This ended up being a big pass for me overall in the contexts that I tried to use it on Friday and Sat with 4 different roots oriented mixes. A bit too much color and drive and too fat. It seems like it puts a film over the track or mix that I would have to work to clean off until it was usable. That was generally after getting the MIX control to about 40% or less. Then it was gluey in a usable way.
I think it has it's place, but I don't think I am going to try and hunt down what that might be yet.
The legendary, much cheaper, and more flexible MJUC has the same film problem on tons of material. There's a reason all of this stuff got replaced by transistors, accurate ics, and now digital. |
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Post by smashlord on Sept 23, 2024 9:49:53 GMT -6
Here's my review of it. Pretty significant difference comparing it to other software. Quite honestly, I would have been happy with and hardware that sounded this good. So many great options, really easy to get some crazy color or back things off and keep the familiar compression characteristic. Man, that ambisonic sounds good on that acoustic! Gave the plug a try. I think it sounds really good. While I don't have an UnFairchild, I do have one of the Telefunken re-issues sitting next to me and did a quick comparison on a vocal. The "Fairchild" is a bit more open and detailed up top, as to be expected. The thing I notice is the HW is capable of a lot more compression before you hear it. I think on the plug I start hearing it around -5db GR and the HW box its pretty transparent upwards of -10db GR. Now, whether or not that justifies the cost difference of a mid-sized family sedan, I'll leave that to others to decide! |
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Post by FM77 on Sept 24, 2024 9:33:46 GMT -6
Here's my review of it. Pretty significant difference comparing it to other software. Quite honestly, I would have been happy with and hardware that sounded this good. So many great options, really easy to get some crazy color or back things off and keep the familiar compression characteristic. I appreciate the demo Matt - it does confirm my own experiences in that in that it over saturates and bloats a bit too much for my taste. I think it takes away dynamics often. That is my personal take. But that aside, your tracks are basically clean to start with, but why use such a heavy grunge/distorted bass tone as a base to demonstrate a tube comp? I mean that respectfully, but there are no dynamics to start with. And no real playing, just some rando notes. With that as a starting point, it wouldn't have mattered what comp you used. Curious what the intent was? |
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Post by andersmv on Sept 24, 2024 10:02:08 GMT -6
Here's my review of it. Pretty significant difference comparing it to other software. Quite honestly, I would have been happy with and hardware that sounded this good. So many great options, really easy to get some crazy color or back things off and keep the familiar compression characteristic. I appreciate the demo Matt - it does confirm my own experiences in that in that it over saturates and bloats a bit too much for my taste. I think it takes away dynamics often. That is my personal take. But that aside, your tracks are basically clean to start with, but why use such a heavy grunge/distorted bass tone as a base to demonstrate a tube comp? I mean that respectfully, but there are no dynamics to start with. And no real playing, just some rando notes. With that as a starting point, it wouldn't have mattered what comp you used. Curious what the intent was? I should probably just start saying this in every review like this: My take on doing reviews for things like hardware is to give people an idea of what it sounds like. This isn't a mix tutorial, this is a demonstration of what the plugin sounds like. I picked settings that sounded colorful on everything but weren't too "over the top", stacked it over everything and the mix bus, so that by the time you get to the end of the video with the full song, it's pretty clear what the plug-in is imparting sonically. I'm not trying to make a good mix, if I have to make the mix sound worse to get a sonic point across and make something easier to hear, then that's what needs to happen. Like you said, you felt like the saturation bloated things too much for your liking. Maybe that means this isn't for you. Great, I did my job! I'm not always good at this, but I try really hard not to inject too much opinion into a lot of these reviews. I'm some dumb schmuck in the woods in Arkansas, I honestly don't think anyone should care what I think, and I have no desire to be an "influencer". I try to do honest demonstration so people can walk way feeling like they have an opinion. As far as stuff like the bass tone, I'll preface it by saying I'm not a bassist . It's one of my least favorite things to do in situations like this where I have to do it. Tone is subjective, but you have to remember that the song I picked was originally review files from the Soyuz Ambisonic mic demo. I had one single mic to mic up a drum set, I have very little control over tweaking that sound in post. It can be extremely difficult to get bass and drums not to bury each other when you do minimal mic'ing. That bass tone was what needed to happen to give the kick room to breath and have the bass still come through the mix. It's not like I can go in mix the kick separately to get it to play with the bass. Maybe I could have picked a song with a more appropriate bass tone for the UnFairchild, but it is what it is. I still think that by the end of the video when you get to the full mixes, it's pretty obvious what the Unfairchild is doing to the bass once you have a full context. It's especially audible to me when listening to the bass guitar and low end in general and how different things sound with the UAD and UnFairchild mixes. They're both being processed very similarly on their own, but once in context with everything else, there's a big difference. Last thing I'll say, I'm never as thorough on plug-in reviews as I am with hardware. In the time it takes us to have an exchange on a forum, either one of us could have just downloaded the plug-in and tried it. Look at the review I did on the Heritage Grandchild hardware, I'm a lot more thorough and include multiple settings and examples on every instrument and mix. I take the time to do that on the hardware because it's much harder (or impossible) for people to try physical stuff. I just didn't have any "intent" as far as choosing this song, it's just what I picked. If you weren't getting what you needed from my bass guitar example, do the free trial and try the plug-in . The only reason you should be watching my video is to decide if it's worth your time to demo it. |
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