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Post by chessparov on Sept 8, 2024 14:00:48 GMT -6
Deep Topic
IMHO Internet tends to be too 2 Dimensional.
Which can create unnecessary conflicts.
Much better in person.
Chris
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 8, 2024 14:06:42 GMT -6
She gets alot of valid criticism for indirectly promoting the 20 boysfriends-never settling down-childless life. Not that she's the only one, but she is a huge role model for alot of white girls. It's not a good role model. Music is much for than music, it is influence and we should all care about how it affects our young. racism and misogyny?? not what i expected to see here today. Whoa. Whoa. Who said anything about racism and misogyny? He’s just saying that the majority of her fans are white girls- true and she’s promoting choosing yourself over a man/love. Seems to be the predominant message in our culture. Is what it is. |
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Post by skav on Sept 8, 2024 14:07:13 GMT -6
Maybe rephrase "white girls" to female Demographic. For one thing. There has been a general Cultural Shift from Traditional American Family Values towards "Todays". Within Taylor’s (and younger) Generation.  * I'm all about individual Freedom. (Within reason) Equal Pay/Equal Work etc. etc... ( 65 Million year old Chessparsaurus here goes back to work) Chris *See Barbie movie for further examples. LOL! Yes, I wrote white girls because that's most of her fanbase. Girls and women of european ancestry, is that okay to say? Hehe.. People identify themselves and largely look up to people who look like themselves. It's not a mystery, nor racist, it's only natural. Not having kids is promoted all around the west today. The demographic I mentioned already have very low birthrates, in fact much lower than replacement levels, so like I said, it is a valid criticism. It's okay to point out a destructive trend that is being promoted. In fact, it is duty. Making free choices is promoted, but at the same time those choices are being consciously influenced. It's a trick. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 8, 2024 14:08:41 GMT -6
racism and misogyny?? not what i expected to see here today. Stupid labels. Where was my comment untruthful? We’re also not going to belabor this because I’ve already gotten one report on that post. I see your point, but I imagine you knew how it would be viewed by some. So let’s drop the psychological diagnoses of Taylor. I don’t know if I believe Taylor can change the biological want for propagating the species, but I see the argument. |
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Post by chessparov on Sept 8, 2024 14:23:20 GMT -6
70's/80's Barry White helped increase our Population!! "It's just not enough"  Going forward... If we can keep things in the irreverent Spirit of Fun... (well you know me!) Oh yeah. I'll ask Taylor to check out this Thread, over Dinner tonight. Chris |
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Post by ironinthepath on Sept 8, 2024 19:03:14 GMT -6
www.statista.com/statistics/1372978/taylor-swift-fans-by-ethnicity/#:~:text=According%20to%20a%20survey%20from,only%20nine%20percent%20were%20Asian. According to this link above (which I can’t confirm or deny its validity), the majority of Taylor Swift’s fans are white. To me “racism” requires intent to be hurtful or block others from entry in some way or another; a factual statement regarding an observation is not of itself “racist”. It’s also a simple fact that birth rates are declining in the US: www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2024/20240525.htmIn the same sense, it’s then not misogynistic to point out that the “birthing people” aren’t doing so much birthing. So, to me, the interesting question is more about causality: is Taylor Swift influencing her audience by choosing to have many relationships and no kids or does her audience, doing essentially the same on average already, influence how she writes and thinks (and/or her marketing team) and she’s just giving them what they want? Edit: I’m just now reading @johnkenn ‘s statement about furthering this topic, I’ll erase this post if recommended
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Post by chessparov on Sept 8, 2024 20:55:06 GMT -6
racism and misogyny?? not what i expected to see here today. Stupid labels. Where was my comment untruthful? Well they have a VERY special label for guys like yourself-That are my age... "Grandpa" LOL! Chris P.S. Meant in the best sense. |
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Post by jeremygillespie on Sept 8, 2024 21:01:30 GMT -6
Wow I wrote up a pretty long winded post and then erased it out of respect for John K’s space. Doesn’t need to be discussed any further… if ya don’t have anything nice to say etc etc etc and all that and whathaveyou.
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Post by kbsmoove on Sept 8, 2024 21:58:37 GMT -6
racism and misogyny?? not what i expected to see here today. Whoa. Whoa. Who said anything about racism and misogyny? He’s just saying that the majority of her fans are white girls- true and she’s promoting choosing yourself over a man/love. Seems to be the predominant message in our culture. Is what it is. I did - and i will call this out every time i see it. this should be obvious, but: Implying that one of the most successful women of all time is a bad role model because she doesn't have children - or that a woman's worth can somehow be impacted by her decision to not have children - is misogynistic. and calling for role models who encourage white girls to have babies is racist. is taylor swift a good guitarist? good enough, thats for sure. who gives a shit if she has kids. |
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Post by bossanova on Sept 8, 2024 22:03:04 GMT -6
Do y’all spend much time talking to the single women in your lives? There’s a lot of them who want to find a long term partner and have kids, but instead they enter the dating pool and get guys who are sending them dick pics and negging them and looking to turn them into trad-wives. And they just want a guy to treat them with respect and like an equal who has their own ideas and goals and dreams. Again, if you have female friends or family members who have been out there dating for a while, ask them more about their experience and why some women go through so many guys instead of settling.
And listen to TSwift’s Tiny Desk concert. She plays solo rhythm guitar there.
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Post by ironinthepath on Sept 8, 2024 22:53:45 GMT -6
I find this topic totally fascinating and agree that both young men and women are having a much harder time on average when trying to build successful long-term relationships. At the core though, I think it's "self-inflicted" at a societal level and modern technology has allowed nature's own feedback mechanisms to go haywire. From what I understand (limited):
-Dating apps allow the top few % of men to rotate around with hoards of women that are from a wide % range of "quality" (whatever that means),
- many of these young ladies are thinking they have a shot of converting short-term fun into a long term option with commitment, but it won't happen because those top guys aren't really in it for that; if they are, it's for the top tier ladies only
-the actually average women think they "deserve" the top-tier guys for the long-term because they've had the short-term encounters.
-The statistically "average Joe" isn't even getting any matches at all because the average women have a mismatched sense of who they "deserve"
-a large chunk of young men get caught up in online visual stimulation that has zero reality and don't learn how to properly interact with women properly, have low self esteem and check out.
-The actually nice young single women see their friends on the apps, try it, and get those special pics described above either from "top guys" or poorly behaving "lessor" types.
-Used to be that to have any serious shot with women then a boy must make something of himself, have success in life - but at least for the guys that are top tier on the apps, what's the point? They can play video games all day and still get what they want. For the others, they've checked out anyway.
-so women are out performing men educationally (in the sense that they are more likely to get college degrees), making more money then many men in their age-bracket on average, and don't want to "settle" for a mismatched (i.e. "lower ranking") man
-realistically, they all mostly have their noses in their phones all day anyway and even for day-to-day stuff have issues with communicating normally in societal settings (of course there are exceptions, but from my own observation it's much worse then even 10 or 15 years ago)
so basically it's all setup for large percentages of people to be unhappy and miss out on solid relationships. For some people, maybe it's fine, but for its really bad for society in the long run, from what I can tell.
Anyway, I have kids (both boy and girl) and have a grim outlook on this.
Back to music??
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Post by skav on Sept 8, 2024 23:03:24 GMT -6
Do y’all spend much time talking to the single women in your lives? There’s a lot of them who want to find a long term partner and have kids, but instead they enter the dating pool and get guys who are sending them dick pics and negging them and looking to turn them into trad-wives. And they just want a guy to treat them with respect and like an equal who has their own ideas and goals and dreams. Again, if you have female friends or family members who have been out there dating for a while, ask them more about their experience and why some women go through so many guys instead of settling. And listen to TSwift’s Tiny Desk concert. She plays solo rhythm guitar there. Good point. It is horrible out there for many young people now. Not that being a traditional housewife is bad in any way. The problem with that now is that the average man don't earn enough $ for it to be realistic. There was a time where both sexes were required to marry to enjoy eachother, and they were expected to take good care of eachother. Many have realized now why traditions were like they were. These values are not all gone, but like my point, there is a heavy push through medias to promote the opposite of what is healthy. The industry behind the scenes (or a big part of it) deliberately push art that often has a negative effect on the young. Look at different genres and how they are pushed to different demographics and how it is affecting them. Film and music is magic. It affects your views and values without you even noticing. I won't continue writing on this here unless I'm quoted or someone comments on my words. One last thing, when something is destructive is happening, it seldom helps to just stay quiet because you 'have nothing nice to say'. Then it often just gets worse. When men don't speak up and act, evil thrives. I'm not saying TS is 'the' problem itself, but partly acting as the face of it. It goes much deeper. |
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Post by chessparov on Sept 8, 2024 23:06:57 GMT -6
Sure Iron. Nothing quite like a good 'Ol Analog vs. Digital "discussion". Enough "Hardware vs. Software" dating talk here now already. (I do have Empathy for Guys/Gals today-kidding aside) Chris |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 9, 2024 8:35:34 GMT -6
Whoa. Whoa. Who said anything about racism and misogyny? He’s just saying that the majority of her fans are white girls- true and she’s promoting choosing yourself over a man/love. Seems to be the predominant message in our culture. Is what it is. I did - and i will call this out every time i see it. this should be obvious, but: Implying that one of the most successful women of all time is a bad role model because she doesn't have children - or that a woman's worth can somehow be impacted by her decision to not have children - is misogynistic. and calling for role models who encourage white girls to have babies is racist. is taylor swift a good guitarist? good enough, thats for sure. who gives a shit if she has kids. But your opinion doesn’t run the world, does it? So you don’t get to make the rules. There will be no censorship. There are plenty of other pro audio forums. |
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