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Post by lowlou on Sept 3, 2024 3:47:22 GMT -6
The Chandler Redd microphone...
It's been some years since its release. Hype has faded a bit on this mic. I've read what I could read on RGO about the microphone, listened what I could listen. I know some of you have had quality time with it, some have bought it. Some consider(ed ?) it a contender for the best microphone award.
I liked this take on the microphone : "a 800G for Beatles fans" but it was, after all, an early review.
Is it still a first choice for male & female vocal recording ? Is it still up there with the U47/C12/U67/ELAM251 ?
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Post by sean on Sept 3, 2024 6:18:29 GMT -6
I have 2. And honestly, I’ll probably be selling 1. I still like them as an option for vocals but it’s one of those microphones, like a C800G, where it’s either perfect or it just doesn’t work at all. Loud vocalist can sound harsh, and overheads or acoustic instruments can be overly bright…just tried to use them as overheads on an album this week and the producer went “why are the cymbals so bright?” and had to swap them out.
So, while that sounds like a lot of negatives I’d still say I love the REDD microphone and I was impressed with it so much I wanted a pair, but now after a year of having two I personally don’t think I need a pair. It’s a great microphone but I wouldn’t call it a versatile one. It’s like a 12 string guitar…not right for everything but nothing else does was it does.
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Post by crillemannen on Sept 3, 2024 6:53:31 GMT -6
I really enjoyed it when I demoed it. Bit like Sean says I'd imagine it is a hit or miss. For the right source it's going to sound crisp with a nice bloom in the lowmids, most of the time it will probably be to bright.
Like most high-end gear the Redd has increased almost double the price of what it cost on its introduction. For 4k it should be on Anyones list looking for a 800G or a 251 style mic. For 7k I'm mean there is better options.
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Post by lowlou on Sept 3, 2024 7:18:58 GMT -6
Sean, you're doing rock music isn't it ?
Crillemannen, yes it's expensive I was surprised at the price. Inflation is pretty much over, here in France. I hear inflation in the US is very high.
I wonder if the high-end price will deflect at some point.
I loved the redd on your voice to be honest. Full rich sound and quite sweet up top (no sibilances on you)... Now after a compressor, eq, etc, maybe it could become overbearing ? It's what Martin John Butler experienced after a mastering of one of his song, sung on the Redd ; his esses became too prominent.
I wanted to buy a Redd, but not at 4k, I thought I could find one at 2,6-3k second hand, but not really. There were deals like that around 2019-2020.
I don't have the big money for the current price. Too bad.
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Post by sean on Sept 3, 2024 7:35:09 GMT -6
Sean, you're doing rock music isn't it ? Crillemannen, yes it's expensive I was surprised at the price. Inflation is pretty much over, here in France. I hear inflation in the US is very high. I wonder if the high-end price will deflect at some point. I loved the redd on your voice to be honest. Full rich sound and quite sweet up top (no sibilances on you)... Now after a compressor, eq, etc, maybe it could become overbearing ? It's what John Butler experienced after a mastering of one of his song sung on the Redd ; his esses got too much. I wanted to buy a Redd, but not at 4k, I thought I could find one at 2,6-3k second hand, but not really. There was deals like that around 2019-2020. I don't have the big money for the current price. Too bad. I don't do a lot of rock music, mostly acoustic genres..."Americana", country, or bluegrass. I paid $4050 for a new one last year (before Alto had to start charging sales tax, which is very high in the state I live), and $3500 for a used one (after tax) later that year...if that helps gauge where prices are at. I think for around $3500 in today's "market" it's still a good value. |
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Post by doubledog on Sept 3, 2024 8:33:48 GMT -6
The Chandler TG Type L is not $5k, and not overly bright (even less bright on "B") - I know I keep saying it, but it's worked on almost anything I've put it in front of including vocals. And did I mention it is not $5K?
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Post by lowlou on Sept 3, 2024 9:02:01 GMT -6
Hey Doubledog, the Redd and Type-L sound absolutely nothing alike, though, right ?
The sonic & price in-between would be the TG microphone, but many people find its top-end sibilant too harsh for vocals. But a big-sounding killer mic on pretty much everything else it seems... The Redd I heard it softer up-top when compared in videos on the same singer? The Redd was softer, and bigger sounding (tube fat).
Really I'm just interested to start a discussion on the Redd, 8 years after release, post-hype, see if people still like its sound on vocals. For example, I'd be curious to know if John & Martin John Butler have the Redd on their radar for a vocal mic, etc... I know it's been a long time. Maybe everybody has moved on.
But if we have to talk about "me" (not the goal), I 100% still want to buy a Type-L and use its B mode to record backing vocals. For BGV, I also want to buy a Sennheiser MD441-U, and a M49 clone ; Doubledog I'm doing electronic music, so the lead vox have to cut thru the mix like a knife in butter (it must have an edge somehow, but without sibilance), and the BGV have to be parked at the back, in either an airy manner, or a ribbon manner ; leadvox for me would be U67 type (got a B67-269(v2) on the way ! A U67 has a de-emphasis circuit that targets some of the sibilance that occurs in the 87), BN251, BC12(a? Fet, tube ?), and either Redd/SA-87T/SA-800G for the corporate modern sound (I find the adjective "corporate" super adequate, quite proud of myself lol) ; + a bunch of inexpensive oddballs, sub-$100 weird saturated retro mics, telephone mics, FX mics ; it's where I'm at right now in term of what I plan on buying)
xxxxx
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 3, 2024 10:23:03 GMT -6
I always thought of it like a vintage C12
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Post by lowlou on Sept 3, 2024 10:38:13 GMT -6
I always thought of it like a vintage C12 Interesting. You tried it on your voice, John ? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 3, 2024 15:59:40 GMT -6
I always thought of it like a vintage C12 Interesting. You tried it on your voice, John ? I never had it at my place...but I was at a party at some guy's place and sang through it. It sounded really good...It's definitely on the brighter end of the spectrum...which there's a big difference between bright and harsh. It seemed very very detailed. Almost like a Brauner. |
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Post by lowlou on Sept 3, 2024 16:57:36 GMT -6
Sounds good
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Post by chessparov on Sept 3, 2024 22:02:25 GMT -6
I always thought of it like a vintage C12 IMHO the C12 is fuller... But I highly respect the REDD as a Modern Classic. Not enough familiarity to add more here/earlier.  Chris P.S. My C12 Style experience limited to T-Funk and BZ. |
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Post by paulcheeba on Sept 4, 2024 6:52:12 GMT -6
"a 800G for Beatles fans" I recognise that quote from when I was first testing them and everyone expected a U47 and I was like "now wait a minute"? Clever play on Wade's part capturing every audience,
In the same way the C800G has not dated neither has the REDD Mic.
It's bigger in body and space than a C800G and it's modern almost exactly like a Brauner Valvet X but with more options.
Amazing on a drum kit! Or Pop Vocals. I wish I knew the tube compliment or the capsule.
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Post by Ward on Sept 4, 2024 7:10:13 GMT -6
"a 800G for Beatles fans" I recognise that quote from when I was first testing them and everyone expected a U47 and I was like "now wait a minute"? Clever play on Wade's part capturing every audience, In the same way the C800G has not dated neither has the REDD Mic. It's bigger in body and space than a C800G and it's modern almost exactly like a Brauner Valvet X but with more options. Amazing on a drum kit! Or Pop Vocals. I wish I knew the tube compliment or the capsule. Calling spock! |
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Post by sean on Sept 4, 2024 8:09:12 GMT -6
The mic uses an EF86
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Post by paulcheeba on Sept 4, 2024 9:07:53 GMT -6
I thought it was a secret. What about the other tube etc. for the amp part. Are there any in the PSU, I've never opened it. |
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Post by lowlou on Sept 4, 2024 15:11:05 GMT -6
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Post by chessparov on Sept 4, 2024 22:53:35 GMT -6
IMHO OG 67 is more "forgiving" to Singers, than the REDD. Better have that vocal nailed! Oh wait. Old Chessposaur heres thinking of 40+ years ago.  Chris |
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Post by lowlou on Sept 5, 2024 4:03:49 GMT -6
I prefered the U67 when comparing the sax track, but I still think the Redd can be supreme in the right context, on the right source. Supreme as in "the best mic in the world". For example this Deadpool vs Celine Dion clip.
The "smokey" U67 is really a vibe.
Chris you use the "269" voicing of your B67 from time to time ? Don't you get closer to the Redd "high shelf lift" ?
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Post by chessparov on Sept 5, 2024 4:15:48 GMT -6
Honestly, not yet. The default setting seems to "just fit". I do keep in mind though... The tendencies of either, could be even be quite comparable on even a given song. Chris P.S. Ultimately/Ideally... A strong AE could decide. (Rather than Mr. Enthusiast here ) |
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