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Post by OtisGreying on Aug 31, 2024 20:26:25 GMT -6
Anyone done this? Do you just have to attenuate the signal after because active DI's add gain? Looking at possibly purchasing a stereo DI for mix buss duties/color.
Used Neve RNDI-S can be had for pretty cheap and could possibly sound great on a mix is what I'm considering.
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Post by drbill on Aug 31, 2024 20:54:44 GMT -6
I ALWAYS have ZOD IDDI's following my Silver Bullet on the mix buss. A L W A Y S!!!! (Highly recommended) Awesome tube dimensionality - although it might also be the fist sized transformers....
I do not have to add gain after the fact. I do have attenuation coming into the ZOD's.
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Post by OtisGreying on Aug 31, 2024 21:23:35 GMT -6
I ALWAYS have ZOD IDDI's following my Silver Bullet on the mix buss. A L W A Y S!!!! (Highly recommended) Awesome tube dimensionality - although it might also be the fist sized transformers.... I do not have to add gain after the fact. I do have attenuation coming into the ZOD's. So you attenuate before hitting the Zods? Or after you hit the Zods before the converter?
What device do you use for attenuating?
I really want a pair of ZOD's for mix buss. I have one already for Elec/Bass gtr DI that I purchased on your recommendation.
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Post by poppaflavor on Aug 31, 2024 21:23:42 GMT -6
Anyone done this? Do you just have to attenuate the signal after because active DI's add gain? Looking at possibly purchasing a stereo DI for mix buss duties/color.
Used Neve RNDI-S can be had for pretty cheap and could possibly sound great on a mix is what I'm considering.
It's the holy grail I chase. :-) I've tried various transfo boxes and it's pretty fun to explore. Hoping you find the one(s) that serves you sweetly! I'll assume you have a reason to lean into the RNDI-S as your processor and won't suggest alternative brands. So far amongst the goodies I've tried the RNDI-S is a decent candidate to serve as a mix buss processor in the way you describe as long as a fairly large bit of color (depending on input level) and some work gainstaging/reamp impedance matching is acceptable and the DA/AD trip is worthwhile for other processing reasons as well. For the color it delivers, I'm not sure I'd venture out the box for just the RNDI-S alone on a mix. Not sure what the typical stereo matching is for distortion and level and frequency response. I've actually never checked mine; I'll try to do so and reply here but it's a holiday weekend so I'll probably forget:-) One thought for you with that device. Assuming RND matches devices with their usual tolerances (which I think might be good enough for mix duties) you may consider getting 2 X RNDI instead of 1 X RNDI-S. The $$ difference I don't think will be much in the used market and the mono RNDI offers an insanely tolerant +45 dB input in it's 'Speaker' mode. This is sweet because it has less color but still offers some deliciousness with no chance of clipping. For some gawdawful reason RNDI deferred to the token Gen Z on the design team and eliminated the +45 dB input on the RNDI-S by replacing it with one of those tiny puny jacks for consumer media players  |
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Post by OtisGreying on Aug 31, 2024 21:37:57 GMT -6
Anyone done this? Do you just have to attenuate the signal after because active DI's add gain? Looking at possibly purchasing a stereo DI for mix buss duties/color.
Used Neve RNDI-S can be had for pretty cheap and could possibly sound great on a mix is what I'm considering.
It's the holy grail I chase. :-) I've tried various transfo boxes and it's pretty fun to explore. Hoping you find the one(s) that serves you sweetly! I'll assume you have a reason to lean into the RNDI-S as your processor and won't suggest alternative brands. So far amongst the goodies I've tried the RNDI-S is a decent candidate to serve as a mix buss processor in the way you describe as long as a fairly large bit of color (depending on input level) and some work gainstaging/reamp impedance matching is acceptable and the DA/AD trip is worthwhile for other processing reasons as well. For the color it delivers, I'm not sure I'd venture out the box for just the RNDI-S alone on a mix. Not sure what the typical stereo matching is for distortion and level and frequency response. I've actually never checked mine; I'll try to do so and reply here but it's a holiday weekend so I'll probably forget:-) One thought for you with that device. Assuming RND matches devices with their usual tolerances (which I think might be good enough for mix duties) you may consider getting 2 X RNDI instead of 1 X RNDI-S. The $$ difference I don't think will be much in the used market and the mono RNDI offers an insanely tolerant +45 dB input in it's 'Speaker' mode. This is sweet because it has less color but still offers some deliciousness with no chance of clipping. For some gawdawful reason RNDI deferred to the token Gen Z on the design team and eliminated the +45 dB input on the RNDI-S by replacing it with one of those tiny puny jacks for consumer media players The 2x Mono RNDI idea sounds interesting, you're saying this would be more flexible because of the increased headroom on the input, so I can push more level in without distortion and get more subtle effects - but I can still get a lot of color out of it if I push enough level in, no? I don't want to necessarily go the less colorful route, but more flexible route sounds good.
So would you say the RNDI is a pretty colorful unit? What other units have you tried for this purpose that you like?
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Post by christophert on Sept 1, 2024 5:35:09 GMT -6
How does that work when the RNDI needs phantom power?
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Post by drbill on Sept 1, 2024 10:14:31 GMT -6
I ALWAYS have ZOD IDDI's following my Silver Bullet on the mix buss. A L W A Y S!!!! (Highly recommended) Awesome tube dimensionality - although it might also be the fist sized transformers.... I do not have to add gain after the fact. I do have attenuation coming into the ZOD's. So you attenuate before hitting the Zods? Or after you hit the Zods before the converter?
What device do you use for attenuating?
I really want a pair of ZOD's for mix buss. I have one already for Elec/Bass gtr DI that I purchased on your recommendation.
Yes. I attenuate between the Silver Bullet mk2 and the ZOD;s. DA>Silver Bullet mk2>ZOD;s>AD. Dan @ Zod makes custom XLR barrel pads that he has done a lot of research with. Contact him to get a pair. And yeah, 1 or 2 ZOD;s is not enough. I need to get a couple more for DI duties.....  |
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Post by OtisGreying on Sept 1, 2024 16:34:16 GMT -6
So you attenuate before hitting the Zods? Or after you hit the Zods before the converter?
What device do you use for attenuating?
I really want a pair of ZOD's for mix buss. I have one already for Elec/Bass gtr DI that I purchased on your recommendation.
Yes. I attenuate between the Silver Bullet mk2 and the ZOD;s. DA>Silver Bullet mk2>ZOD;s>AD. Dan @ Zod makes custom XLR barrel pads that he has done a lot of research with. Contact him to get a pair. And yeah, 1 or 2 ZOD;s is not enough. I need to get a couple more for DI duties..... Nice, its definitely one of the sexiest DI-on-mix buss options. Good to know there's pads made just for this purpose too. Just expensive. DrBill, prior to putting your ZOD's on mix buss, had you experimented with any other DI's on your mix buss with good results? |
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Post by OtisGreying on Sept 1, 2024 16:36:57 GMT -6
How does that work when the RNDI needs phantom power? The ZOD's have their own tube power supply, cause its an active tube DI, that doesn't seem to cause problems for it being in the mix buss, I'm assuming in the RNDI's case the phantom power just powers the unit so its on, no? |
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Post by drbill on Sept 1, 2024 17:00:00 GMT -6
Yes. I attenuate between the Silver Bullet mk2 and the ZOD;s. DA>Silver Bullet mk2>ZOD;s>AD. Dan @ Zod makes custom XLR barrel pads that he has done a lot of research with. Contact him to get a pair. And yeah, 1 or 2 ZOD;s is not enough. I need to get a couple more for DI duties..... Nice, its definitely one of the sexiest DI-on-mix buss options. Good to know there's pads made just for this purpose too. Just expensive. DrBill, prior to putting your ZOD's on mix buss, had you experimented with any other DI's on your mix buss with good results? Nope. Had never heard of any DI's on the mix use prior to the ZOD's which I've had for many years now.....since they first came out. Heard them, and I was sold. And they have lived on the mix buss ever since. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Sept 2, 2024 2:15:07 GMT -6
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Post by christophert on Sept 2, 2024 3:39:44 GMT -6
How does that work when the RNDI needs phantom power? The ZOD's have their own tube power supply, cause its an active tube DI, that doesn't seem to cause problems for it being in the mix buss, I'm assuming in the RNDI's case the phantom power just powers the unit so its on, no? I know the Zod is tube (I have 4 of them) But the RNDI's need phantom power, so there would have to be a preamp after them
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Post by OtisGreying on Sept 2, 2024 15:05:58 GMT -6
The ZOD's have their own tube power supply, cause its an active tube DI, that doesn't seem to cause problems for it being in the mix buss, I'm assuming in the RNDI's case the phantom power just powers the unit so its on, no? I know the Zod is tube (I have 4 of them) But the RNDI's need phantom power, so there would have to be a preamp after them
Ah i see, I didn't even realize that, I thought it had phantom power built in |
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Post by thirdeye on Sept 3, 2024 22:07:06 GMT -6
I know the Zod is tube (I have 4 of them) But the RNDI's need phantom power, so there would have to be a preamp after them
Ah i see, I didn't even realize that, I thought it had phantom power built in Could perhaps use a 2 channel phantom power supply?? |
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