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Post by Hudsonic on Aug 27, 2024 6:32:52 GMT -6
Made a move on the Vanguard 44S stereo mic a while back. What a great sound it has. I used to run a Neumann USM 69 here which is also a stereo mic using 2 U87 capsules. The Vanguard has just as good a sound in my opinion. It is a great Blumlein mic and a stellar m/s microphone as well. ENDORSED.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 27, 2024 14:56:12 GMT -6
I was all set to make a Blumein joke. But... Did look up his biography. He only lived to 38. Life tragically cut short in a WWII plane accident. Yet one of the most prolific inventors of the 20th Century. So... "Here's to" all the Pioneers of Recording Technology.
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Post by drumsound on Aug 27, 2024 18:08:52 GMT -6
I was all set to make a Blumein joke. But... Did look up his biography. He only lived to 38. Life tragically cut short in a WWII plane accident. Yet one of the most prolific inventors of the 20th Century. So... "Here's to" all the Pioneers of Recording Technology. Yeah, he left quite a legacy in that 38 years. A BRILLIANT man.
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 28, 2024 4:23:42 GMT -6
+1 on "Wide Cardiod" for many vocals.* Thanks Derek for bringing this up. Very helpful. Ben Sneesby himself originally advised me to make this my Default setting! (If available) Chris *Patterns? You can't have only one! (To paraphrase the Olde Lay's Potato Chip commercial) I just tried wide cardioid on a vocal session the other day based on Derek's recommendation in this thread and thought it sounded amazing! I'll definitely have to do a little more experimentation with the polar patterns on the V13! I think most of us forgot to try all the polar patterns on our mics. I’ve had a few mics that were much better in wide cardioid than cardioid. I can’t speak to the Vangaurd mics, but I’ve used the Atlantis quite a bit, and it’s a wonderful sounding mic. A true modern workhorse with 3 very usable and different voicings. It’s definitely on my list to grab at some point. Everyone’s positive thoughts on the V44 has me thinking though.
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Post by andersmv on Aug 28, 2024 7:01:22 GMT -6
You can actually get wide cardioid and anything in between with the V44 stereo mic. If you face both capsules forward, put one in Omni and the other in figure 8 and record both, blending them together in post is actually manipulating the polar pattern when they’re combined. It’s a good exercise to remind us how different it can sound when switching patterns. It burns two channels, but is pretty useful sometimes (especially on vocals).
(Jump to 3:17 to see/hear that)
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Post by Ward on Aug 28, 2024 18:14:17 GMT -6
Vanguard V14
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Post by drumsound on Aug 28, 2024 18:16:34 GMT -6
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Post by Hudsonic on Oct 7, 2024 16:44:18 GMT -6
Made a move on the Vanguard 44S stereo mic a while back. What a great sound it has. I used to run a Neumann USM 69 here which is also a stereo mic using 2 U87 capsules. The Vanguard has just as good a sound in my opinion. It is a great Blumlein mic and a stellar m/s microphone as well. ENDORSED. Mic did not work out here after one capsule became noisy. Bright sound did not suit either. Returned to dealer.
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Post by drumsound on Oct 8, 2024 7:32:58 GMT -6
Made a move on the Vanguard 44S stereo mic a while back. What a great sound it has. I used to run a Neumann USM 69 here which is also a stereo mic using 2 U87 capsules. The Vanguard has just as good a sound in my opinion. It is a great Blumlein mic and a stellar m/s microphone as well. ENDORSED. Mic did not work out here after one capsule became noisy. Bright sound did not suit either. Returned to dealer. that's quite a turn around
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Post by Hudsonic on Oct 24, 2024 6:54:18 GMT -6
Mic did not work out here after one capsule became noisy. Bright sound did not suit either. Returned to dealer. that's quite a turn around One channel of the mic blew up after one use and became fizzy and noisy. When I integrated the mic into a mix after my report above, the thin, bright sound grated and was rejected. Mic had little detail--only bright Chinese sound. Returned to the dealer for a refund.
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Post by drumsound on Oct 24, 2024 7:49:38 GMT -6
that's quite a turn around One channel of the mic blew up after one use and became fizzy and noisy. When I integrated the mic into a mix after my report above, the thin, bright sound grated and was rejected. Mic had little detail--only bright Chinese sound. Returned to the dealer for a refund. Thanks for this explanation.
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Post by peezy on Oct 25, 2024 1:49:30 GMT -6
I have used both. I bought the v13 after all the rave reviews online. I tested it extensively for a month, but just couldn't get into the sound. Sold it. Long and behold I bought it again as I got some different preamps and did more room adjustments acoustically. I still couldn't like the sound enough to keep.
Now, I'm not saying the mic sounded bad but it sounded too smooth on my voice and not enough low mids. I have a manley reference, lewitt pure tube, u87, tlm 193, signal arts u47, lauten Atlantis and many others mics higher in price.
The Atlantis on the other hand is just amazing. The different voices is like having three different mics. The sound is full and clear. It's the kind of smooth I was looking for. Smooth on the highs and very neutral. This thing takes eq like no other. I always purposely try to make a mic get harsh with eq to see where the the harsh frequencies are. This mic would not get harsh no matter how hard I pushed the high end eq gain.
On another note, I picked up a Baifeili 81 which looks exactly like the vanguard V4 from temu. So, I bought a used v4 from guitar center to compare both. Opened both up and they are the same identical red circuit board with the same basic schoeps circuit. They sounded damn near identical. I just found that interesting at the time.
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Post by drumsound on Oct 25, 2024 9:41:05 GMT -6
I have used both. I bought the v13 after all the rave reviews online. I tested it extensively for a month, but just couldn't get into the sound. Sold it. Long and behold I bought it again as I got some different preamps and did more room adjustments acoustically. I still couldn't like the sound enough to keep. Now, I'm not saying the mic sounded bad but it it sounded too smooth on my voice and not enough low mids. I have a manley reference, lewitt pure tube, u87, tlm 193, signal arts u47, lauten Atlantis and many others much higher in price. The Atlantis in the other hand is just amazing. The different voices is like having three different mics. The sound is full and clear. It's the kind smooth I was looking for. Smooth on the highs and very neutral. This thing takes eq like no other. I always purposely try to make a mic get harsh with eq to see where the the harsh frequencies are. This mic would not even harsh no matter how hard I pushed the high end eq gain. On note, I picked up a Baifeili 81 I think it is which looks exactly like the vanguard V4 from temu. So, I bought a used v4 from guitar center to compare both. Opened both up and they identical same red circuit board with the same basic schoeps circuit. They sounded damn near identical. I just found that interesting at the time. Interesting takes, thanks. I did get the Atlantis and The triple voicing really is great. I've cut a lot of vocals with it since I got it. All of the singers have been impressed. If trying to work quickly, if the same singer is singing lead and backing vocals, I'll just go switch the voicing for the backing vocals to get some variety of tone. I keep wondering about Temu in general. I'm glad to hear someone has had a good experience.
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Post by peezy on Oct 25, 2024 11:05:05 GMT -6
I have used both. I bought the v13 after all the rave reviews online. I tested it extensively for a month, but just couldn't get into the sound. Sold it. Long and behold I bought it again as I got some different preamps and did more room adjustments acoustically. I still couldn't like the sound enough to keep. Now, I'm not saying the mic sounded bad but it it sounded too smooth on my voice and not enough low mids. I have a manley reference, lewitt pure tube, u87, tlm 193, signal arts u47, lauten Atlantis and many others much higher in price. The Atlantis in the other hand is just amazing. The different voices is like having three different mics. The sound is full and clear. It's the kind smooth I was looking for. Smooth on the highs and very neutral. This thing takes eq like no other. I always purposely try to make a mic get harsh with eq to see where the the harsh frequencies are. This mic would not even harsh no matter how hard I pushed the high end eq gain. On note, I picked up a Baifeili 81 I think it is which looks exactly like the vanguard V4 from temu. So, I bought a used v4 from guitar center to compare both. Opened both up and they identical same red circuit board with the same basic schoeps circuit. They sounded damn near identical. I just found that interesting at the time. Interesting takes, thanks. I did get the Atlantis and The triple voicing really is great. I've cut a lot of vocals with it since I got it. All of the singers have been impressed. If trying to work quickly, if the same singer is singing lead and backing vocals, I'll just go switch the voicing for the backing vocals to get some variety of tone. I keep wondering about Temu in general. I'm glad to hear someone has had a good experience. The baifeili V5 is actually pretty good with the k47 capsule as well as the tf22 mic. At the very least, they make good donor mics. In with the Atlantis not only does it sound great people really enjoy the look of it. I actually grabbed mine for $1200 scratch and dent. I was scared at first thinking it was going to be extremely beat up. When I received the mic it was in pristine condition. I can't see a scratch or dent anywhere. I was going to go eden route but I didn't want another tube mic.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 25, 2024 11:31:45 GMT -6
drum sound brought to u by….
I have to listen later on my rig because this sound is really boring at best on my laptop
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Post by Ox Han on Oct 25, 2024 14:02:33 GMT -6
Do you really need a stereo mic? If you do, the V44s is really spectacular… I’ve got all the Vanguard stuff, I’m obviously a huge fan. My friend has an Atlantis and I’ve worked with most of the Lauten stuff. The Atlantis is crazy versatile and is going to cover the most ground. I would say the V13 has a little more character than the Atlantis. Definitely smoother and more mellow on the top end. Most of the Lautens have a cleaner mid range that’s nice and clear to my ears. If you need to cover a lot of ground, Lauten all the way. It would be hard for me to live without my V13 at this point, I really love it. V44s is amazing, but only reason to pick it over the other two is stereo specific. I’ve used all three and AndersMV is pretty much spot on. The real TLDR is that you will not make a bad decision. I own the v44s and the Atlantis is literally going to be my next mic. Need a stereo mic, or want to achieve efficiencies/speed setting up overheads? V44s all day The Lauten is probably more versatile than the v13 with the 3 voices & because it is little more scooped in the mids or cleaner sounding as mentioned. It still has a lot of character and is a warm sounding mic. It’s nice sometimes to not need a psu for a mic. However, it’s more expensive than the V13 and the heaviest mic I’ve used yet. I sold the v13 after I got a tube mic with a ct12. The V13 is great though and sometimes I wish I didn’t sell it. Great mono overhead mic as is the Atlantis. You can’t go wrong with either. Great problem to have.
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Post by jacobamerritt on Oct 25, 2024 14:10:08 GMT -6
On another note, I picked up a Baifeili 81 which looks exactly like the vanguard V4 from temu. So, I bought a used v4 from guitar center to compare both. Opened both up and they are the same identical red circuit board with the same basic schoeps circuit. They sounded damn near identical. I just found that interesting at the time. Whoa. Thats crazy, just looked that mic up. Are all the components the same? What about the capsule?
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Post by vanguardaudiolabs on Oct 25, 2024 16:17:18 GMT -6
On another note, I picked up a Baifeili 81 which looks exactly like the vanguard V4 from temu. So, I bought a used v4 from guitar center to compare both. Opened both up and they are the same identical red circuit board with the same basic schoeps circuit. They sounded damn near identical. I just found that interesting at the time. Whoa. Thats crazy, just looked that mic up. Are all the components the same? What about the capsule? Already had to deal with this on GDIY 🙃 It’s actually not a V4. Yea it’s a similar circuit and similar style (nice of them to rip our brand dress off). They even copied my gen1 PCB darn near identically although they couldn’t figure out inductor polarity so they moved those around. They did leave off the Tom Petty lyrics and Marty Druckman memorial silkscreen so that’s…nice I guess? There’s quite a few component differences and the capsule is a k67 style (last time I checked anyways) that’s got a rather yucky top end. I’d definitely not call them “sounding the same”. First thing you could do is ditch the polyester “wima” caps for true WIMA MKPs. The transistor is undoubtedly different than the expensive one we use as well. BFL is made out of a factory in Enping, where we’ve never done any manufacturing (nor have we ever sourced entire mic kits single factories(.
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Post by jacobamerritt on Oct 26, 2024 1:05:06 GMT -6
Whoa. Thats crazy, just looked that mic up. Are all the components the same? What about the capsule? Already had to deal with this on GDIY 🙃 It’s actually not a V4. Dang. Thats gotta be annoying for you! By the way I have a couple OG Vanguard V4s, and often recommend your mics to folks.
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Post by peezy on Oct 26, 2024 1:32:37 GMT -6
On another note, I picked up a Baifeili 81 which looks exactly like the vanguard V4 from temu. So, I bought a used v4 from guitar center to compare both. Opened both up and they are the same identical red circuit board with the same basic schoeps circuit. They sounded damn near identical. I just found that interesting at the time. Whoa. Thats crazy, just looked that mic up. Are all the components the same? What about the capsule? I happened to be looking up some bai feili mics on YouTube tonight and came across this. He tends to agree with me.
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Post by andersmv on Oct 26, 2024 6:24:12 GMT -6
Whoa. Thats crazy, just looked that mic up. Are all the components the same? What about the capsule? I happened to be looking up some bai feili mics on YouTube tonight and came across this. He tends to agree with me. he also got a lot of stuff wrong in that video and did a follow up (which was classy IMO)
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Post by peezy on Oct 26, 2024 7:07:52 GMT -6
I happened to be looking up some bai feili mics on YouTube tonight and came across this. He tends to agree with me. he also got a lot of stuff wrong in that video and did a follow up (which was classy IMO) I'll pull both out tonight and test. I haven't used the cheap one since I bought it as I didn't know how reliable it was. It's good to know the vanguard isn't smoke and mirrors. That was going to be my last purchase from them. I'm glad now I can continue to buy from them.
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Post by andersmv on Oct 26, 2024 7:19:56 GMT -6
Specifically for the cryogenics stuff, I get why a lot of people see that and immediately get turned off. At face value, it seems like one of those shitty hi-fi world pitches that will "make things sound $10k better". It's not really about freezing crap to get a better sounding result, it's about stabilizing the components so that they actually perform to spec like they should. Derek can give a more in depth and nerdy TED Talk about it if he wants, but it's pretty interesting.
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Post by drumsound on Oct 26, 2024 14:24:22 GMT -6
drum sound brought to u by…. I have to listen later on my rig because this sound is really boring at best on my laptop Thats one of the best drum videos I've ever seen. I real world guy, doing the job and explaining what's up with tuning and resonance. Do you really need a stereo mic? If you do, the V44s is really spectacular… I’ve got all the Vanguard stuff, I’m obviously a huge fan. My friend has an Atlantis and I’ve worked with most of the Lauten stuff. The Atlantis is crazy versatile and is going to cover the most ground. I would say the V13 has a little more character than the Atlantis. Definitely smoother and more mellow on the top end. Most of the Lautens have a cleaner mid range that’s nice and clear to my ears. If you need to cover a lot of ground, Lauten all the way. It would be hard for me to live without my V13 at this point, I really love it. V44s is amazing, but only reason to pick it over the other two is stereo specific. I’ve used all three and AndersMV is pretty much spot on. The real TLDR is that you will not make a bad decision. I own the v44s and the Atlantis is literally going to be my next mic. Need a stereo mic, or want to achieve efficiencies/speed setting up overheads? V44s all day The Lauten is probably more versatile than the v13 with the 3 voices & because it is little more scooped in the mids or cleaner sounding as mentioned. It still has a lot of character and is a warm sounding mic. It’s nice sometimes to not need a psu for a mic. However, it’s more expensive than the V13 and the heaviest mic I’ve used yet. I sold the v13 after I got a tube mic with a ct12. The V13 is great though and sometimes I wish I didn’t sell it. Great mono overhead mic as is the Atlantis. You can’t go wrong with either. Great problem to have. I'm loving the Atlantis. I might be able to get into one of the Vanguard mics soon.
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Post by peezy on Oct 26, 2024 18:41:00 GMT -6
Specifically for the cryogenics stuff, I get why a lot of people see that and immediately get turned off. At face value, it seems like one of those shitty hi-fi world pitches that will "make things sound $10k better". It's not really about freezing crap to get a better sounding result, it's about stabilizing the components so that they actually perform to spec like they should. Derek can give a more in depth and nerdy TED Talk about it if he wants, but it's pretty interesting. I'm glad you cleared it up. I felt a bit mislead.
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