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Post by ericn on Aug 22, 2024 21:16:34 GMT -6
The short answer, when I need to, so many bad recordings have been saved by a quick pass through the FFT and carefully dialing in filters.
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Post by Dan on Aug 23, 2024 9:47:36 GMT -6
I never low pass vocals on the way in. I may low pass if I'm looking for an effect in mixing, but normally never. Honestly, at 63, I can't hear above 18K so I leave the top end alone. On a completely odd side note; I think mixes have become much brighter over the years because the guys mixing it are losing the top end of their hearing. They push it. I would bet CLA has some severly limited hearing. Of course, our brains can make up for what we are not actually hearing, but I do think that the age of many mixing engineers plays a part in bright mixes. ok.... I'm done. Just a random thought. :-) Oh, one more thing: I had a plugin reverb thast I used back around 2010. It was Virsyn Reflect. It was good at the time but one of their version releases had a bug and it oscillated at 18KHZ. I never noticed it until someone's daughter (12) heard it and flipped out on the sound. Sure enough, I put something like SPAN on it and could easily see that it was oscillating near nyquist. Man... I wish I had that hearing still. I DO HPF almost all vocals during mixing. Never during tracking. theyre also way over compressing now which takes the top end off by holding it down (or distorting it with aliasing) on most compressors. add in boxy tones from not great amplifier stages being pushed (in prosumer grade converters and other electronics, 1176, 2520, distorted tube crap) and they use the high shelves or worse sharp bells like crazy and you get the mess just raised up and eventually clipped off (in the final 16-bit, 44.1 kHz render or derpy old school pcm limiter or clipping the converter analog, digital, or sometimes both) for infinite harmonics of the raised up junk. They clip. That causes discontinuities in the otherwise linear to the noise floor, nyquist filter, and analog equipment digital systems. All hell breaks loose. They clip. They do not care to just lower the gain a bit. They neither understand nor care about the math behind it. Their resultant products somehow have a far more limited appeal than past popular music, even Taylor Swift. |
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Post by chessparov on Aug 23, 2024 16:58:18 GMT -6
Couldn't resist. Just did this one take Vocal Acapella, outside my fave 'lil Coffee Shop. Used (what else?) The EV "Man In The Street Microphone". AKA 635a. Just put on MJUCjr. Compression (Hey Dan might listen to it now!  ) along with Stock MultitrackStudio Plate and De-Esser Plugs. It's in what Audacity calls "Insane" MP3 quality! (320 kbs). Chris P.S. I'd be bound to screw up a higher fidelity vocal from my LDC's. With high and low pass.  |
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Post by patrickp on Aug 25, 2024 19:35:34 GMT -6
Couldn't resist. Just did this one take Vocal Acapella, outside my fave 'lil Coffee Shop. Used (what else?) The EV "Man In The Street Microphone". AKA 635a. Just put on MJUCjr. Compression (Hey Dan might listen to it now! ) along with Stock MultitrackStudio Plate and De-Esser Plugs. It's in what Audacity calls "Insane" MP3 quality! (320 kbs). Chris P.S. I'd be bound to screw up a higher fidelity vocal from my LDC's. With high and low pass. sounds great Chris. you are funny and a good singer. |
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Post by chessparov on Aug 25, 2024 20:17:10 GMT -6
Thanks Patrick!
I'm in the process of retraining my voice...
Starting with very melodic material.
And limiting the "Baritone Belting" to my lowest Octave. (After warming up)
Chris
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Post by chessparov on Aug 25, 2024 20:19:13 GMT -6
BTW... Something Comics gain with Age. Is they get funnier looking! |
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 25, 2024 21:17:40 GMT -6
BTW... Something Comics gain with Age. Is they get funnier looking! When I told my family I wanted to be a comedian, they laughed at me. Well they’re not laughing now. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 25, 2024 21:43:34 GMT -6
My mom would often say I was funny and my dad would respond with “yeah but looks don’t count for everything”🥔
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Post by frans on Aug 26, 2024 2:45:45 GMT -6
low pass filtering on vocals: naw, rather hi shelve it down a few notches if i feel the need. Backing vocals? Everything goes. On the other end of the spectrum, i like to flatten vocals for certain styles in a tube mic preamp that generates mostly k2 overtones in a friendly way. As this preamp sonds like it has a slower slew rate it de-icks everything that goes through and so prevents hi-treble screetching where it hurts me the most: on transients.
A friend of mine recorded vocals with a Røde NT1 - i could lowpass these vocals down to 0,5 hz to make them sound okay.. but i just re-recorded them instead.
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) along with Stock MultitrackStudio Plate and De-Esser Plugs.
