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Post by OtisGreying on Aug 21, 2024 13:42:10 GMT -6
Assuming you’re recording digital. Maybe if you’re recording to tape there’s no need. But I sometimes like a low pass at 16-18khz on vocals. Granted I prefer mixes from before recording digital was possible.
How often and in what instances do you guys ever low pass vocals? Is it safe to say most records we know and love do not have a bunch of information in the 18khz+ range?
Thanks for any thoughts.
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Post by Dan on Aug 21, 2024 13:54:35 GMT -6
Never
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Post by notneeson on Aug 21, 2024 14:01:21 GMT -6
Same, never.
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 21, 2024 14:01:34 GMT -6
Assuming you’re recording digital. Maybe if you’re recording to tape there’s no need. But I sometimes like a low pass at 16-18khz on vocals. Granted I prefer mixes from before recording digital was possible. How often and in what instances do you guys ever low pass vocals? Is it safe to say most records we know and love do not have a bunch of information in the 18khz+ range? Thanks for any thoughts. I have used LPF on my vocals in a mix. I have a bright tenor voice and it can get pointed when I'm belting in my upper blues register. Absolutely nothing wrong with using a gentle LPF if it helps a vocal sit in mix. I remember reading that Frank Sinatra's engineers used a LPF his vocals on some records to get the right tone and mix fit. If it sounds right - it's right. No point in doing it just to regain "headroom" - but useful for tonal shaping - if needed. These days I'm tracking with a 47 > Coil CA-70 > Retro STA Level so the signal is already very smooth and rolled off in a very musically attractive way and I have no need to reach for the LPF. So obviously best to get it right at the source - if possible.
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Post by kristoferharris on Aug 21, 2024 14:05:05 GMT -6
Always. Typically at the very front of the vocal chain. I have the Dangerous Bax LPF on my vocal bus too for good measure. Makes for a way smoother top end... regardless of recording quality, processing or style. Always an obvious improvement.
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Post by niklas1073 on Aug 21, 2024 14:25:56 GMT -6
Never. I will make my best to choose a mic, pre and compressor and in a perfect world that will result in the wanted high end character. I don’t remember the high end ever being an issue really. The problems occurs much lower usually where I will notch out harsh frequencies. If i shelf something up high it’s rather boosting. Never low passing..
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Post by jaba on Aug 21, 2024 14:32:45 GMT -6
Rarely unless I'm going for a certain effect. Even then I'll usually choose a mix that fits the sound I'm going for first. So easy to do in the mix.
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Post by EmRR on Aug 21, 2024 14:44:06 GMT -6
When someone else recorded them and used the wrong microphone.
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Post by geoff738 on Aug 21, 2024 14:58:08 GMT -6
I do, and on other stuff as well. But I have to be super careful, as I can’t really hear up there anymore. Very easy to suck the life out of things.
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by wiz on Aug 21, 2024 15:59:42 GMT -6
Never have
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Post by smashlord on Aug 21, 2024 16:04:53 GMT -6
All the time.
LPF on distorted rock vocals almost always. LPF on BG vocals if you want to place them further back and any vocals in general you want to verb out or soak with delay and push back in the mix. LPF and HPF are your front to back controls.
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Post by nick8801 on Aug 21, 2024 16:28:33 GMT -6
All the time for different reasons. Correctively for bad recordings or mic technique. Artistically for certain styles of music. Technically for placement in a track, like background vocals or doubles.
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Post by bossanova on Aug 21, 2024 16:55:24 GMT -6
If you ever use CLA Vocals, there's a gentle low pass built in, along with a high pass and slight low mid cut. I have a Q-Clone snapshot of it that I use sometimes when I want that starting point without the noise from the actual plug-in.
Otherwise, I do a lot of my vocal recordings with dynamic mics as of late and don't feel the need to have the low pass there because the mics are rolled off enough already. With a bright condenser, maybe?
Now all that said, there is a specific 60s sound you can get by setting a low-pass fairly low and boosting into it, but that's a special effect as much as anything else. It's an imitation of that 47/67/RCA Ribbon vocal sound on those classic 60s recordings where there's not much going on above 5k. Like many things of that nature, it's a loose imitation at best. (Oh, and all of this is at the mixing stage, never at the tracking stage.)
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 21, 2024 17:11:37 GMT -6
Always
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Post by bgrotto on Aug 21, 2024 17:28:30 GMT -6
Super helpful on some bgvs
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Post by Mister Chase on Aug 21, 2024 17:28:44 GMT -6
From time to time. Mostly I'll do it on the LH95. 3db is a a healthy amount of gain per click so sometimes I'll push the high band and low pass at the same time. Kind of like the inverse of the Neve thing where you high pass and boost the low shelf.
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Post by nick8801 on Aug 21, 2024 18:04:39 GMT -6
From time to time. Mostly I'll do it on the LH95. 3db is a a healthy amount of gain per click so sometimes I'll push the high band and low pass at the same time. Kind of like the inverse of the Neve thing where you high pass and boost the low shelf. I do the same with mine. Gets super creamy!
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Post by phdamage on Aug 21, 2024 18:44:04 GMT -6
to echo other sentiments here - never on main vox. sometimes on backing vox.
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Post by EmRR on Aug 21, 2024 21:12:53 GMT -6
When someone else recorded them and used the wrong microphone. Ok, maybe not fair. But more likely a shelf doing something if needed. Always trying to pick the right mic so it comes in with the proper context in the first place. If it’s distorted, that’s probably in parallel so that might be, but not the clean part. BGV’s…they’re supposed to stand further back and that takes care of it….right?
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Post by EmRR on Aug 21, 2024 21:17:11 GMT -6
It’s funny; folks tend to get all concerned about phase relations in the bottom, but messing with the top like this is far more obvious on that front and no one ever brings it up.
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 21, 2024 21:20:59 GMT -6
It’s funny; folks tend to get all concerned about phase relations in the bottom, but messing with the top like this is far more obvious on that front and no one ever brings it up. I only ever low pass with linear phase for that exact reason
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Post by robo on Aug 22, 2024 8:54:10 GMT -6
6db/octave LPF is pretty harmless. I mostly do this on BV’s, but sometimes on lead vocal if it needs to sit back into the track.
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Post by mcirish on Aug 22, 2024 9:10:11 GMT -6
I never low pass vocals on the way in. I may low pass if I'm looking for an effect in mixing, but normally never. Honestly, at 63, I can't hear above 18K so I leave the top end alone. On a completely odd side note; I think mixes have become much brighter over the years because the guys mixing it are losing the top end of their hearing. They push it. I would bet CLA has some severly limited hearing. Of course, our brains can make up for what we are not actually hearing, but I do think that the age of many mixing engineers plays a part in bright mixes. ok.... I'm done. Just a random thought. :-)
Oh, one more thing: I had a plugin reverb thast I used back around 2010. It was Virsyn Reflect. It was good at the time but one of their version releases had a bug and it oscillated at 18KHZ. I never noticed it until someone's daughter (12) heard it and flipped out on the sound. Sure enough, I put something like SPAN on it and could easily see that it was oscillating near nyquist. Man... I wish I had that hearing still.
I DO HPF almost all vocals during mixing. Never during tracking.
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Post by svart on Aug 22, 2024 9:11:52 GMT -6
Every time. I engage the LPF and HPF on just about every vocal and instrument bus and use the listen mode to find where the filter starts to cut stuff I can actually hear and back off a little.
It's amazing how much just doing that cleans up the spectrum without even getting to the editing.
Just for example, the last tape-to-digital mixes I did, I listened to the original tracks AFTER I did my mixes, and the artist and I discussed the differences. He loved how clean my mixes were compared to the original mixes. When listening to the raw tracks I noticed a HUGE amount of whine and rumble on a lot of the tracks. Anything from air conditioning to bass guitar bleeding into vocal tracks, etc. I cut as much of that stuff out as I could possibly do without maiming the meat of the tracks.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 22, 2024 20:37:21 GMT -6
I just use an EV 635a.
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