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Post by thehightenor on Aug 18, 2024 12:19:37 GMT -6
I’d just think this would be right down the “sell the dream” lane…I can picture the ad copy. It’s a dark hot dreary summer night in a loser’s bedroom auralex-laden studio when suddenly, said producer pushes a button and the room slowly morphs into Abbey Roads or Capital etc…and the nerd bedroom guy is now drinking cold ones with George Martin, Max Martin and George Harrison. (Ok, Max isn’t dead) but blah blah…use this and life is good” When I think of Abbey Road - I think of great recording spaces. An EQ profile on a monitor feed isn't going to turn a residential room into a great recording space (obviously) Properly acoustically treating a room will give someone a great space to track in and mix in. I see proper acoustic treatment as the "cake" and room correction software as the "icing" The two working hand in hand can create great results. But if one isn't recording in a space and only mixing then I guess room correction alone might be all that's needed?
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Aug 27, 2024 15:36:32 GMT -6
The challenge with "room tuning" lies in the separate auditory perception of the room and the monitor speaker. Impulse tuning, as opposed to pink noise, offers a method to adjust solely the speaker. However, this approach still contends with the effects of microphone capsule diffraction and speaker diffraction, which can skew high-frequency measurements by reducing the top end. These effects are influenced by variables such as placement, capsule, and enclosure design. Our pioneering attempt to tune a control room at Motown in 1965 faced these issues. When the results were unsatisfactory, we reached out to B&K, the creators of our measurement microphone. The engineer responsible for the microphone's design responded, expressing that he had never encountered anyone attempting such tuning and doubted its feasibility due to the aforementioned factors.
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Post by ericn on Aug 27, 2024 17:30:01 GMT -6
I’d just think this would be right down the “sell the dream” lane…I can picture the ad copy. It’s a dark hot dreary summer night in a loser’s bedroom auralex-laden studio when suddenly, said producer pushes a button and the room slowly morphs into Abbey Roads or Capital etc…and the nerd bedroom guy is now drinking cold ones with George Martin, Max Martin and George Harrison. (Ok, Max isn’t dead) but blah blah…use this and life is good” When I think of Abbey Road - I think of great recording spaces. An EQ profile on a monitor feed isn't going to turn a residential room into a great recording space (obviously) Properly acoustically treating a room will give someone a great space to track in and mix in. I see proper acoustic treatment as the "cake" and room correction software as the "icing" The two working hand in hand can create great results. But if one isn't recording in a space and only mixing then I guess room correction alone might be all that's needed? When I think of studios like Abby Road, I don’t think about treatment as much as purpose built, big difference especially when it comes to LF.
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Post by ericn on Aug 27, 2024 17:44:10 GMT -6
The challenge with "room tuning" lies in the separate auditory perception of the room and the monitor speaker. Impulse tuning, as opposed to pink noise, offers a method to adjust solely the speaker. However, this approach still contends with the effects of microphone capsule diffraction and speaker diffraction, which can skew high-frequency measurements by reducing the top end. These effects are influenced by variables such as placement, capsule, and enclosure design. Our pioneering attempt to tune a control room at Motown in 1965 faced these issues. When the results were unsatisfactory, we reached out to B&K, the creators of our measurement microphone. The engineer responsible for the microphone's design responded, expressing that he had never encountered anyone attempting such tuning and doubted its feasibility due to the aforementioned factors. Bob I think you hit on why Trinnov uses their own unique mic. One of the biggest problems I always hear with DSP correction is the fact that the software has no idea what the difference between what is on axis and off axis. A lot of corrections are based on what’s going on off axis and messes up a perfectly reasonable on axis response. As cheap as CPU power is someone is going to realize a program using multiple mics and evaluating off & and on axis performance will produce better results, but you will never be able to simply use DSP to treat them separately. For the general question of what is better, it’s going to depend on your speakers & room. And DSP power, a lot of the software choices are made in broader strokes than you think, trying to manage DSP usage. Don’t expect a curve like the ones you see in a lot of manufacturers lit that are ruler flat, it’s not going to happen all your filters are going to mostly be a bunch of bells and triangles, put them together with a typical speaker and you get a bumpy curve. If you want to see ruler flat run the smoothing utility.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Aug 27, 2024 17:59:34 GMT -6
The best measurement microphone I've found was a Neumann KM-86 set to cardioid. The pattern is far more uniform with direction than any omni microphone. Where does Trinnov have you place the microphone?
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 27, 2024 22:04:36 GMT -6
The best measurement microphone I've found was a Neumann KM-86 set to cardioid. The pattern is far more uniform with direction than any omni microphone. Where does Trinnov have you place the microphone? The listening position. Then if you want to add more positions you have diff profiles.
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