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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 17, 2024 13:06:36 GMT -6
It would be a novel approach being the only daw that would offer it within the daw. We’ve all had complaints about UA here lately, but there’s no doubt they’d bring a great product. I know Drew hasn’t seemed very receptive - I guess just out of philosophy - doesn’t think it works…
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 17, 2024 13:15:25 GMT -6
Or out slate slate and use its room modelling data for verbs to create eq presets for those rooms ?
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Post by chessparov on Aug 17, 2024 16:24:31 GMT -6
I guess there's no Universal solution.
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Post by ericn on Aug 17, 2024 17:12:22 GMT -6
They could probably do a great job, but with everything they have going on let’s not add another deep project to their plate😁
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Post by phantom on Aug 17, 2024 17:23:34 GMT -6
I really think the best solutions are external hardware and DSP. So I hope whenever UA goes that route, is with this approach.
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Post by ironinthepath on Aug 17, 2024 17:54:36 GMT -6
Maybe we should all just monitor through a DBX DriveRack :-)
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Post by wiz on Aug 17, 2024 17:56:38 GMT -6
Sonar works are doing the put it in the monitor thing
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Post by andersmv on Aug 17, 2024 18:00:38 GMT -6
I really think the best solutions are external hardware and DSP. So I hope whenever UA goes that route, is with this approach. Ya, it would be complicated to implement on the UAD side with the Console App and now Luna. It would probably turn into a “Luna Only” type of thing, knowing how they are operating and moving these days. That’s why I ultimately moved to an external option. Even the cheapest IK Arc Studio is fantastic (I did a review on it for them and ended up ditching SonarWorks), and eliminates all the potential obstacles that software based solutions present in all our crazy setups.
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Post by indiehouse on Aug 17, 2024 18:18:00 GMT -6
DSP limit?
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 17, 2024 18:28:45 GMT -6
It's actually a pretty good idea.
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Post by indiehouse on Aug 17, 2024 18:30:50 GMT -6
It's actually a pretty good idea. No need to reinvent the wheel. Strike a deal with Sonarworks and port the code over. BUT, the elephant in the room is the longevity of UAD DSP. It’s in dinosaur territory.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 17, 2024 18:42:13 GMT -6
Sonar works are doing the put it in the monitor thing Huh?
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Post by ericn on Aug 17, 2024 19:24:12 GMT -6
This could be part of it, all those phase corrections are basically band pass filters with delay. It really makes the most sense to put it after the DAW. Now playing around a bit this week with DSP we found something that DSP is really good at but nobody is doing yet would require at least 3 outputs: remember a driver is still putting out audio beyond the crossover point, one of the reasons you choose to crossover at a particular crossover point is the crossover filter is going to attenuate and reduce comb filtering because of this behavior. You can correct this with DSP, though it’s a little complicated and we don’t know of anyone actually doing it, but when you put together a handful of speaker geeks a bunch of DSP units and enough channels of power amps it’s amazing what you can do. First thing you can’t do this to a composite fullrange signal, you really need to make these corrections after the crossover for each driver, your aligning at least 2 signals operating in the same range if you try to it to the Fullrange signal it can’t delay just the part of the signal being attenuated by the crossover, but if use say a BSS drive rack in as basic signal alignment and a channel of say a Sound web 9098ii after the crossover you can treat it as a full range signal and do a bunch of alignment for each individual driver above and below the crossover point. We bypassed the passive crossovers in the Questeds took a ton of measurements and did a bunch manual alignment. Man it cleans things up, I wish there was an easy way to do this like Sonarworks, Dirac or Trinnov, but a manufacturer sure could clean up the average active with a bit of this.
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Post by wiz on Aug 17, 2024 19:38:35 GMT -6
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Post by gwlee7 on Aug 17, 2024 22:06:57 GMT -6
I guess there's no Universal solution.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 18, 2024 1:35:11 GMT -6
That's a Fine clip!
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Aug 18, 2024 3:23:35 GMT -6
Sonar works are doing the put it in the monitor thing Huh? Sonarworks profiles can be loaded into the newer RME interfaces room correction DSP now. Sonarworks - RME integration
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 18, 2024 3:50:35 GMT -6
And Aurora.
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Post by gwlee7 on Aug 18, 2024 7:12:15 GMT -6
That's a Fine clip! Howard you know?
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Aug 18, 2024 8:20:43 GMT -6
When I get time later, I'll share what I learned when we pioneered control room "tuning" at Motown in the mid '60s. Most people do it in a way that can't possibly work.
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Post by Dan on Aug 18, 2024 11:26:09 GMT -6
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Post by chessparov on Aug 18, 2024 11:45:32 GMT -6
I'll spare you guys the bad DAD jokes then.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 18, 2024 11:47:49 GMT -6
I’d just think this would be right down the “sell the dream” lane…I can picture the ad copy.
It’s a dark hot dreary summer night in a loser’s bedroom auralex-laden studio when suddenly, said producer pushes a button and the room slowly morphs into Abbey Roads or Capital etc…and the nerd bedroom guy is now drinking cold ones with George Martin, Max Martin and George Harrison. (Ok, Max isn’t dead) but blah blah…use this and life is good”
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Post by chessparov on Aug 18, 2024 11:57:30 GMT -6
Both George's stored their Beatles tapes... In the Lennon closet.
Max? No. He's a Swedish Producer. But a Norwegian would. (Cues "I'm a Loser") Chris
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Post by Dan on Aug 18, 2024 12:07:40 GMT -6
I’d just think this would be right down the “sell the dream” lane…I can picture the ad copy. It’s a dark hot dreary summer night in a loser’s bedroom auralex-laden studio when suddenly, said producer pushes a button and the room slowly morphs into Abbey Roads or Capital etc…and the nerd bedroom guy is now drinking cold ones with George Martin, Max Martin and George Harrison. (Ok, Max isn’t dead) but blah blah…use this and life is good” Slate already did it. They have ads with some 20 something EDM producer in front of HS5s and foam saying VSX headphones made his mixes so much better. Well the HS5 make the NS10m Studio sound like a million bucks. The HS5 make you hate music and have no bass. He would do even better with a pair of ubiquitous HD 25 broadcast/dj cans or now the more detailed HD26. How do you sell that the big mains are mostly useless and that nearfields 1-2 meters away from your ears are like headphones but better? I could mix on the 6” KRKs or Focals not rockets or alphas (I like them and know them or the fostex 6301 with something else decent. I’ve broken pairs of the jbl 305 in a few minutes though) with a pair of HD 25 in some dogshit rooms as long as they’re set up for optimal stereo spread in the room but these guys are in perfect cube bedrooms or home office cubicles and they’re trying to sell them lipstick on a pig. They’ll max out their credit cards with clones and magic bullets but won’t buy an attack wall, rearrange their furniture, or book time at the few remaining purpose built studios that haven’t been demolished to turn into 5 over 1 garbage condos for transients.
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