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Post by bluesholyman on Aug 16, 2024 5:50:19 GMT -6
If you add one drop of water to the ocean (excluding all other mitigating factors) the global sea level will indeed rise. The question is can you detect it? There will always be someone out there who claims they can but for most of us mere mortals… 🤨 In all seriousness, I doubt I could tell the difference in either, the ocean rising or two lengths of cable. But its a question I wanted to ask that, if in the grand realm of physics, I was missing something...I don't know what I don't know, so I ask.... Never my intent for the question to derail a discussion or waste anyones time. Psychology, I like to symmetrically match all cables in any of my stereo signal paths, I know it’s not needed AT ALL (barring some cable having a legit issue)…. But my brain is just happier with the symmetry knowing it’s there. So I bite the bullet and typically buy cables in pairs. Added cost to address a mental health issue, I guess, but I rest easier that way :-) This is probably most of it for me - the psychology of it and believing something changed only because I know something else changed, even if it didn't have a [discernible] effect on the system. I mean I'm all for pedantry and shit, but then the idea that there's even such a thing as 'matching cable lengths' (let alone, matched frequency response for drivers, or a perfectly symmetrical room, or whatever) kinda goes out the window and renders the whole debate moot. And let's not pretend like we're good enough recordists or mixers to claim that these sorts of nuances would have any real-world impact on our work when we're still trying to sort out tenths of a db of snare eq (on a coarse analog pot, no less). Put bluntly, we're gonna fuck up way bigger things on the average tracking session than a fraction of a microsecond's worth of comb filtering... True. I've got miles of road to mess up ahead of me... After all is said and done, I changed out the cables with two Mogami Gold, 10ft each - I feel better that they are the same length, but lets not rehash that one. This all started because I had a monitor cable go bad and only had two different length cables available to correct it. I ended up buying another matching Mogami and replaced both HOSA cables, one which was clearly having issues. Did it sound better/diifferent? No idea, but I did notice that my monitors come out of sleep faster (enough that it was noticeable) once audio starts playing. I can only think those HOSA cables just weren't that good to begin with. |
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Post by Shadowk on Aug 16, 2024 6:14:01 GMT -6
I mean I bought some really cheap Roland cables and had nothing but issues with them. They’re a screw connecter and came loose every 5 mins.
Ended up replacing it all with Lynx custom, what a waste of money cause in a hybrid setup you need a couple of hundred cables and at 20 bucks a pop it does start to add up.
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Post by rowmat on Aug 16, 2024 7:40:24 GMT -6
If you add one drop of water to the ocean (excluding all other mitigating factors) the global sea level will indeed rise. The question is can you detect it? There will always be someone out there who claims they can but for most of us mere mortals… 🤨 In all seriousness, I doubt I could tell the difference in either, the ocean rising or two lengths of cable. But its a question I wanted to ask that, if in the grand realm of physics, I was missing something...I don't know what I don't know, so I ask.... Never my intent for the question to derail a discussion or waste anyones time. I wasn’t inferring you were claiming you could hear the difference between 6 feet versus 10 feet of cable. If you genuinely could you would have some kind of super human abilities. It was a generalisation based upon a personal history of ‘vigorous’ discussions with various hi-fi buffs some of who descend down a rabbit hole in which their quest for audio nirvana results in belief trumping science. Your concern about different cable lengths was not unreasonable at all. Something I learned years ago from a guy who ran a PA sound company regarding speaker cables caught me out until he explained it. He was running a stack of high powered amps which were rated down to 2 ohms load. I was helping out with a load-in for a concert and was involved in hooking up the FOH speakers which were rated at 4 ohms per box. After wiring up the boxes I realised that running 4 boxes in parallel created a 1 ohm load to each amplifier channel not a 2 ohm load as specified. I thought this must be wrong as it would risk blowing the output stage in the amps. So I spoke to the guy expressing my concern. He looked at me with a smile and said the amps are still going to see 2 ohms. “You forgot to include the speaker cables which measure at 1 ohm per run.” So 1 ohm per parallel speaker array plus 1 ohm for the cables equals 2 ohms. So he had to make sure that ALL the speaker cables in the system were indeed 1 ohm which meant they had to be the same type of cable and the same length. So in that situation the type and length of the cables absolutely mattered. |
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Post by doubledog on Aug 16, 2024 7:46:13 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Aug 16, 2024 8:35:30 GMT -6
And then I have to wonder how many people actually have perfectly matched hearing between their two ears? According to my cousin the audiologist & an MD I had in rehab who was a former audiologist, almost no one except maybe some new borns. I had to ask. |
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Post by iamasound on Aug 16, 2024 11:13:44 GMT -6
I've moved beyond mundane aural sound wave capture and now to direct neural assimilation. I grok all. Now I can perceive any minute difference in cable length down to 1mm and to be honest, it's driving me mad. Please make it stop!  |
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Post by ragan on Aug 17, 2024 11:20:42 GMT -6
It does not matter. Any changes in the frequency domain will be many, many, orders of magnitude outside audio. Any changes in the time domain will be many, many orders of magnitude too small to matter.
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 17, 2024 12:43:47 GMT -6
Psychology, I like to symmetrically match all cables in any of my stereo signal paths, I know it’s not needed AT ALL (barring some cable having a legit issue)…. But my brain is just happier with the symmetry knowing it’s there. So I bite the bullet and typically buy cables in pairs. Added cost to address a mental health issue, I guess, but I rest easier that way :-) Snap. I 100% know it makes absolutely zero difference if I connect my monitors with cables of different lengths (within reason) But I can't do it - both have to be of equal length. Yes, I realise I would benefit from therapy. |
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Post by ironinthepath on Aug 17, 2024 17:52:36 GMT -6
Ha ha, seems like we’re suffering from same condition. :-)
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