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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 4, 2024 19:50:22 GMT -6
I get it. I have an old Pearlman TM-1, which was built with a generic body kit. The polar pattern and rolloff are just drawn on with marker. The Pearlman logo was printed on, but has slowly faded. I put it up next to my FleAs, Nuemanns, or Beesneez, and it’s just looks cheap… but all the money is inside; Nuemann K47, Telefunken, EF14 tube, Cinemag transformer, etc. It sounds amazing. I do wish the outside matched the beauty of the sound.
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Post by ninworks on Aug 4, 2024 20:07:17 GMT -6
I get it. I have an old Pearlman TM-1, which was built with a generic body kit. The polar pattern and rolloff are just drawn on with marker. The Pearlman logo was printed on, but has slowly faded. I put it up next to my FleAs, Nuemanns, or , and it’s just looks cheap… but all the money is inside; Nuemann K47, Telefunken, EF14 tube, Cinemag transformer, etc. It sounds amazing. I do wish the outside matched the beauty of the sound. Paint it purple. Hey, it worked for Prince.
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Post by ab101 on Aug 4, 2024 20:34:47 GMT -6
I get it. I have an old Pearlman TM-1, which was built with a generic body kit. The polar pattern and rolloff are just drawn on with marker. The Pearlman logo was printed on, but has slowly faded. I put it up next to my FleAs, Nuemanns, or , and it’s just looks cheap… but all the money is inside; Nuemann K47, Telefunken, EF14 tube, Cinemag transformer, etc. It sounds amazing. I do wish the outside matched the beauty of the sound. Paint it purple. Hey, it worked for Prince. Paint it black. Worked for the Stones!
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Post by EmRR on Aug 4, 2024 21:20:29 GMT -6
sometimes
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Post by niklas1073 on Aug 5, 2024 1:32:10 GMT -6
The short answer is yes it does. There is plenty of gear I would not like to see in my racks. But luckily I have never had to compromise. The gear I have sonically gravitated towards, have had matching visual aesthetics. I think that most designers are very aware of where their products aesthetically sits and the sound and design goes hand in hand, especially in boutique pieces. Just as with instruments, the piece in itself should be inspiring to work with.
i would never buy an instrument that isn’t visually attractive. With studio gear I might do that if it sounds crazy good. But I would likely hide it low in my rack 😆
EDIT: after posting i started thinking more about the whole concept and as the atmosphere and feel of the studio has an undeniable impact on the creativity and performance, I’d go as far as saying the looks of the gear and how they sit in the soundscape should at least have a small part in the outcome of the production. Don’t we go back to studios that feels and looks great and gives us a good vibe to work in?
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Post by allmidi on Aug 5, 2024 1:46:31 GMT -6
When I was younger, the looks were a big part of the story. Now my priorities are to be as lightweight and portable as possible.
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Post by basspro on Aug 5, 2024 9:05:20 GMT -6
I have used Purple Audio gear and thought it sounded great, but I can't bring myself to put it in my rack. Fortunately I found out about Audioscape and got a pair of 76Ds instead of having to spring for the Purples or pay the price for current UAs. But even with the Audioscape, it bothers me that they used a red power button.
On the other hand, I have 3 different pieces from Retro which I think is as good as it gets aesthetically (and even non-engineers comment on how cool it looks)
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 5, 2024 10:00:00 GMT -6
sometimes This looks like some sort of steam punk air conditioner.
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Post by deaconblues on Aug 5, 2024 10:12:28 GMT -6
sometimes This looks like some sort of steam punk air conditioner. The modern mini-split A/Cs are a mess of impossible to service SMD components, with overly slow remote response times, and shoddy plastic exterior parts that creak and bend before they splinter off into micro-plastics which fill your pores and literally keep you from cooling off. They completely butcher the traditional wind envelopes created by one of the more classic RCA tube A/Cs...it's like the inventors had never experienced air conditioning and modeled their airflow after the way a bronchitis-infected dog breathes on you vs using a properly Brüel + Kjær measured wind tunnel like the classics certainly would have. The race to the bottom continues.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 5, 2024 10:15:41 GMT -6
This looks like some sort of steam punk air conditioner. The modern mini-split A/Cs are a mess of impossible to service SMD components, with overly slow remote response times, and shoddy plastic exterior parts that creak and bend before they splinter off into micro-plastics which fill your pores and literally keep you from cooling off. They completely butcher the traditional wind envelopes created by one of the more classic RCA tube A/Cs...it's like the inventors had never experienced air conditioning and modeled their airflow after the way a bronchitis-infected dog breathes on you vs using a properly Brüel + Kjær measured wind tunnel like the classics certainly would have. The race to the bottom continues. Haha... that's totally true. Warm makes a great air conditioner using NOS tubes that were originally intended to cool German U-Boats. Sure they're made in China but they're assembled right here in American sweatshops!
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Post by ericn on Aug 5, 2024 10:44:20 GMT -6
Thinking of the Focusrite green and it’s plastic, a couple of years ago a bunch of SR guys and I were discussing PA amps, Crown Pre Harmon had gone all plastic on the Macrotech faceplate, nobody of any note followed suite on the top touring amps, but even today the middle ground is full of plastic.
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Post by poppaflavor on Aug 5, 2024 11:06:34 GMT -6
When I was younger, the looks were a big part of the story. Now my priorities are to be as lightweight and portable as possible. This perfectly captures my evolving reasons for trying to pay attention to diet and exercise over my life. :-D
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Post by ab101 on Aug 5, 2024 11:49:24 GMT -6
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Post by poppaflavor on Aug 5, 2024 11:59:08 GMT -6
Welp, beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder. I love that construction yellow. I probably get sick of it pretty quick. But I'm loving it at first glance!
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Post by ab101 on Aug 5, 2024 12:17:30 GMT -6
Welp, beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder. I love that construction yellow. I probably get sick of it pretty quick. But I'm loving it at first glance! I can understand that. It is a color that some will like and some will not. I think blues are safer - like the Tube Tech Cl1b. Black is perhaps the safest. Though what is really important to me, is really easy to read print!
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 5, 2024 12:49:24 GMT -6
I think I'm on the same page as most of you here. Looks are kind of important for rack gear because it's part of the overall aesthetic of the studio which I think is very important. But I'm not going to turn down a piece of gear I like just because it's ugly.
Case in point, my new (to me) Aphex 661 (so ugly even a mother couldn't love it) sits right next to my Cranborne 500ADAT filled with RND Shelford style units. Cranborne and RND both routinely nail my idea of utilitarian elegance but I still love the Aphex.
So.... kind of?
As someone else said, all other things being equal I'll pick the piece I like the looks of better. But all other things are very rarely equal.
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Post by poppaflavor on Aug 5, 2024 13:44:56 GMT -6
Welp, beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder. I love that construction yellow. I probably get sick of it pretty quick. But I'm loving it at first glance! I can understand that. It is a color that some will like and some will not. I think blues are safer - like the Tube Tech Cl1b. Black is perhaps the safest. Though what is really important to me, is really easy to read print! That is for sure. I briefly had a tube-tech device and I loved that blue. Unfortunately it had some issues and had to be returned. Along those lines, the Stam MEQP-1AS+ has a similar blue; it's absolutely beautiful. I do like the RCA gray immensely though. So utilitarian. I was a military brat and grew up with old surplus type stuff laying around. It just makes me feel good. I recently picked up an RCA MI 34654 negative peak broadcast limiter (oh lordy this thing is amazing function) and it's faceplate is a massive immense thick plate of industrial gray that I'm almost certain would stop a tank round. There are just a couple of controls with tiny knobs and a switch sparsely interspersed across the sweepingly broad expanse of the faceplate. It took me 2 days to figure out how to use it, and during those nail biting moments I was debating myself as to whether I would keep the device even if it turned out to be non-functional. It looks that good. Turns out that gain staging is incredibly important with broadcast limiters, especially this one and it works just fine soon as I figure it out what I was not doing right. So yup. Win win win: cool function and astounding aesthetic, and will stop a tank round if Red Dawn ever happens. I think that the Coil Audio aesthetic is a perfect updating of the classic look. I love the CA 70S and it's red badge counterpart the CA 286S. I've recently picked up an Orban 8100A broadcast limiter and stereo generator and it's bland, milquetoast, sightly off-putting dull bile yellow has really grown on me. It makes me feel like a kid again in the '70s :-)
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Post by poppaflavor on Aug 5, 2024 13:53:12 GMT -6
I think I'm on the same page as most of you here. Looks are kind of important for rack gear because it's part of the overall aesthetic of the studio which I think is very important. But I'm not going to turn down a piece of gear I like just because it's ugly. Case in point, my new (to me) Aphex 661 (so ugly even a mother couldn't love it) sits right next to my Cranborne 500ADAT filled with RND Shelford style units. Cranborne and RND both routinely nail my idea of utilitarian elegance but I still love the Aphex. So.... kind of? As someone else said, all other things being equal I'll pick the piece I like the looks of better. But all other things are very rarely equal. Oh man. Aphex. Brutal. You nailed the exact aesthetic that I despise. I've got a 109 and a 622 And they have that same sickly washed out wannabe royal purple motif. Having said that, I've also got a 204 Aural Exciter Big Bottom And that is a bit more palatable. A little bit more Avalon-esque. I have to admit though I really like my starved plate 109 EQ with a NOS tube (delicious lo-fi) and the 622 gate expander (never met a drum it couldn't crush). But I either play with their knob in dim light or avert my eyes and then take a shower afterwards.
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Post by EmRR on Aug 5, 2024 15:09:57 GMT -6
This looks like some sort of steam punk air conditioner. Believe this would be considered 'Streamline Moderne', a branch of Art Deco. Yes, ventilation for tubes in the racks. Inside is all chrome too.
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Post by russellcreekps on Aug 5, 2024 18:00:30 GMT -6
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Post by poppaflavor on Aug 5, 2024 20:33:53 GMT -6
Believe this would be considered 'Streamline Moderne', a branch of Art Deco. Yes, ventilation for tubes in the racks. Inside is all chrome too. That is sweet! With the hood popped like that she'd be right at home at a hot rod rally. I can smell the diesel from here. I'd love to hear that.
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Post by ericn on Aug 5, 2024 20:42:00 GMT -6
When I was younger, the looks were a big part of the story. Now my priorities are to be as lightweight and portable as possible. I completely understand the desire for light weight, but be careful when weighing becomes the number one factor especially if you’re moving it around! The easiest ways to build it lighter are skimp on chassis or PSU. Funny story when Mackie introduced their 40x8SR they kept making a huge issue about the weight. Now in most installs the weight doesn’t matter but for anyone moving it around it’s a huge deal, but if you’re moving it around you need it to not flex or break. Well the thing was in order to keep it stable you needed a really heavy duty case to compensate for the flimsy chassis. The only customers I had that successfully used them as portable consoles put them in cases built with 3/4 ply and ribs. The combo ended up heavier than a Midas XL200 tour package !
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Post by Omicron9 on Aug 6, 2024 8:38:45 GMT -6
Silly me. And here I've been buying gear all these years based on how it sounds.
Could not care less about the looks.
-09
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Post by EmRR on Aug 6, 2024 9:50:43 GMT -6
Silly me. And here I've been buying gear all these years based on how it sounds. Could not care less about the looks. -09 ....but.....but....now that it's all about the social it's all gotta look cool, and no one can hear it on their phone......
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 6, 2024 10:22:39 GMT -6
Silly me. And here I've been buying gear all these years based on how it sounds. Could not care less about the looks. -09 Genuine question here... do you feel the same way about your studio? Like it doesn't matter how it looks, only how it sounds?
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