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Post by geoff738 on Jul 29, 2024 20:42:34 GMT -6
More compressor talk.
So, pwm seems not to be much of a thing. Dave Hill pursued it. Are the Pye ones pwm?
Anyhow, I have a Trakker. Cranesong/Dave Hill. Awesome piece of gear. Supposed to be a swiss army knife/ able to mimic other types of compression. To my ear it is always hifi sounding for lack of a better word. It can sound sublime (or not noticeably compressed) but I can also make it sound bad. Not Dave’s fault RIP.
Is there an application you think a pwm comp excels in?
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by drbill on Jul 29, 2024 21:15:49 GMT -6
I don't have any PWM comps. I want some though. . But if I did - I'd use em wherever they sound good. LOL. For me, gear is NON genre or instrument specific. Works or doesn't work. I like the surprise of trying things in places they wouldn't expect to be used.
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Post by geoff738 on Jul 29, 2024 21:26:16 GMT -6
I need to just try stuff wherever more often. Why not?
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by copperx on Jul 30, 2024 16:00:49 GMT -6
Cool thread. PWM is the most overlooked category of compressors!
I've never heard one.
I'm curious to know what are the differences between something hi end like the CraneSong Trakker and something cheaper like the Great River 501 and bargain basement stuff like the ART PWM dual compressor. Do they all have this clean character?
But yes, more importantly, where do you use PWMs and when do you choose them over other options?
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Post by drumsound on Jul 31, 2024 10:48:51 GMT -6
Besides the Waves Kramer Pie what PWM compressor plugins are there?
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Post by geoff738 on Jul 31, 2024 16:18:17 GMT -6
Besides the Waves Kramer Pie what PWM compressor plugins are there? That may be the only one. I irc Rob Schnapf said he liked the Trakker on acoustic guitars. Cheers, Geoff
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Post by Dan on Jul 31, 2024 16:40:44 GMT -6
They’re just switching compressors. The most advanced are the Crane Song and DW Fearn.
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Post by bgrotto on Jul 31, 2024 16:43:00 GMT -6
I had a PYE clone pair for a bit. Loved them on toms. Also quite good on acoustic guitar and on bass.
They can't be used in parallel because there's some inherent latency, which is a bummer, because they can get super explosive when pushed, and it would be way fun to blend that back into a dry signal.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jul 31, 2024 18:02:02 GMT -6
There was a pair of the horizontally mounted PYE comps in the studio I came up in. They were absolutely amazing on drum room mics. Like - insanely good. Nothing sounds like them IMO.
Very cool on acoustic guitars.
They sat below a pair of 2254 comps and those things were completely useless for me anytime I tried to use them.
That’s just for comparison sake. I do however love the 33609 that was above that pair hahaha.
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Post by Oneiro on Aug 1, 2024 17:54:17 GMT -6
Oh man. I love love love PWM comps.
I have a Fearn VT-7. For vocals, I never need to buy an LA-2A or CL-1B because this thing helps me get it done on the way in. It can do a lot of work and can make something sound massive without stepping all over the performance. The line amp is also very classy in that old school RCA-Hi-Fi sense. It's also subtly gushy and can work really well for slower drums that you want to thicken up. People tend to use the word "rubbery" in a good way about PWM comps and I get what they mean. It contours as opposed to clamps, if that makes sense. Maybe it's an inherently softer knee or something.
I've used the PYE comps at Avatar / Power Station and they're awesome. We used them on rooms and they have an explosiveness that's distinct. I will for sure be emailing POM in the next few years about a POMPYE.
Also do not sleep on the Great River PWM. Only reason I don't have one is the aforementioned Fearn, but it's such a solid utility comp. Total sleeper.
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Post by robschnapf on Aug 4, 2024 6:49:18 GMT -6
I use the pynamics on the drum buss. Sounds tough
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Post by niklas1073 on Aug 4, 2024 9:23:58 GMT -6
I use the pyenamics on the drum buss. Sounds tough Yeah, drum buss is also where I place a PYE if I’m using one. Before I began using a Fairchild excessively on my drum buss, a PYE pretty much lived there. Now when i’m reminded I might actually try that again. I think the reason for the switch was 1. A new sound. (They are very very different) 2. The Fairchild sat so well with the current setup and room I have. 3. The Fairchild gave that soft fat oomph I was looking for at the time, with the expense of that attack of a PYE. I have been playing a little with a Lindell 254E (Neve 2254) plug on the drum buss lately, and thinking about going 33609 there, but going back to PYE actually could be fun.
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Post by notneeson on Aug 4, 2024 10:49:27 GMT -6
The STC-8 is PWM and used to be all the rage on the forums. Definitely as a buss comp but people used them for tracking too. Never had the pleasure, personally.
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Post by Dan on Aug 4, 2024 13:13:07 GMT -6
Oh man. I love love love PWM comps. I have a Fearn VT-7. For vocals, I never need to buy an LA-2A or CL-1B because this thing helps me get it done on the way in. It can do a lot of work and can make something sound massive without stepping all over the performance. The line amp is also very classy in that old school RCA-Hi-Fi sense. It's also subtly gushy and can work really well for slower drums that you want to thicken up. People tend to use the word "rubbery" in a good way about PWM comps and I get what they mean. It contours as opposed to clamps, if that makes sense. Maybe it's an inherently softer knee or something. I've used the PYE comps at Avatar / Power Station and they're awesome. We used them on rooms and they have an explosiveness that's distinct. I will for sure be emailing POM in the next few years about a POMPYE. Also do not sleep on the Great River PWM. Only reason I don't have one is the aforementioned Fearn, but it's such a solid utility comp. Total sleeper. It’s basically physical digital control. 1-bit on/off and filtered like dsd but electrical and more like a light dimmer. No harmonic distortion, just noise that must be filtered and quantization. technically as not good as properly dithered or floating point pcm control that reconstructs and filters the signal or heavily smooths and filters the control path but about as clean as you can get in analog. www.cranesong.com/pwm_comp.pdfAvedis has a pye comp coming out eventually pyeaudio.com/product/5060/
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Post by Dan on Aug 4, 2024 13:15:02 GMT -6
The STC-8 is PWM and used to be all the rage on the forums. Definitely as a buss comp but people used them for tracking too. Never had the pleasure, personally. used on mix bus on a ton of dilla and madlib records
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Post by deaconblues on Aug 4, 2024 18:43:22 GMT -6
I looove the POM PYE. Sounds great when resampling loops made of disparate samples / one-shots -- I haven't used the STC-8, but maybe dilla & madlib had a similar feeling about it? I wouldn't use the word 'glue' to describe what it does in that use case -- maybe stitch or staple? Either way, it comes out sounding great. I'm pretty sure I've read before that Geoff Barrow uses PYEs on the Portishead & Beak> stuff.
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