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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 21, 2024 12:29:44 GMT -6
Was just thinking about the plugin market. I’d rather have plugins at full price with the ability to re-sell or trade. UA could put a $20 fee on a transfer or something. I probably have 25 UA plugs I never use.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 21, 2024 12:48:28 GMT -6
The problem would be pricing.
Now, that UA has undermined its previous pricing model and you were lucky to get even .30 cents on the dollar, what are used UA plugs worth ?
Any admin ownership transfer cost, would need to make sense for buyer, otherwise why bother: just wait for a sale?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 21, 2024 13:05:45 GMT -6
Yeah, they won’t ever go back, but I woulda rather had the option to buy for full price and then sell them if I don’t like.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 21, 2024 13:14:52 GMT -6
Yeah, they won’t ever go back, but I woulda rather had the option to buy for full price and then sell them if I don’t like. I understand, it would just be confusing, what price now constitutes good value for new retail? |
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Post by donr on Jul 21, 2024 13:26:20 GMT -6
What's a plugin worth today? $29, unless it's something you have to have.
I paid $299 for Topaz video and photo AI to make my "End of Every Song" video, and I think it was worth it.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 21, 2024 14:12:52 GMT -6
donr ya, and that’s retail, so what are used UA plugs worth now? This price/value dilemma is why I sold out for a second time a while back, got close to .50 cents on dollar including my Octo card: bought back about 10 on sale natively, I knew I would use and don’t need ua dsp. My used m1 mini, never seems to break a sweat: worked out ok. I understand the, just keep ‘em and use them argument, but as Johnkenn points out UA still manipulates the used market, by not allowing owners to cull their UA plug herd. Hopefully, UA brass revisits that.
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Post by ericn on Jul 21, 2024 15:00:56 GMT -6
Was just thinking about the plugin market. I’d rather have plugins at full price with the ability to re-sell or trade. UA could put a $20 fee on a transfer or something. I probably have 25 UA plugs I never use. From the UA point of view: It’s a pain in the ass when you are competing with the used version of yourself. Also when people see a bunch of plugins on the used market that are part of the latest bundle deal, they realize it isn’t the deal it’s billed to be. |
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Post by copperx on Jul 21, 2024 17:59:21 GMT -6
What's a plugin worth today? $29, unless it's something you have to have. I paid $299 for Topaz video and photo AI to make my "End of Every Song" video, and I think it was worth it.
What did Topaz do for you? Is it mainly for deblurring/stabilizing?
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Post by copperx on Jul 21, 2024 18:11:35 GMT -6
Was just thinking about the plugin market. I’d rather have plugins at full price with the ability to re-sell or trade. UA could put a $20 fee on a transfer or something. I probably have 25 UA plugs I never use. From the UA point of view: It’s a pain in the ass when you are competing with the used version of yourself. Also when people see a bunch of plugins on the used market that are part of the latest bundle deal, they realize it isn’t the deal it’s billed to be.
It's not that they aren't deals, but that they are strategically put together so that the most popular products are not in the same bundle. If you really want them, you will purchase at least two bundles, or you'll do one bundle and individual plugin purchases. In this way, UA extracts the most money possible.
I mean, this isn't evil, it's just strategy; but if you're an existing customer you'll see that the bundle deals require you to purchase duplicates. So you do that or you do individual purchases. It does leave a sour taste as a costumer. You only feel you're getting a good deal the first time. Once you're a customer, the deals dwindle.
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Post by doubledog on Jul 21, 2024 18:20:49 GMT -6
since UA did offer a bunch of plugins for $29 (obviously trying to compete with Waves, PA, etc.) then I'd say a used plugin is worth no more. But even if you could sell it for $29... minus a $20 admin fee would leave you $9. Would not be worth the time or hassle for me.
But hopefully everyone that ever bought a UA plugin (or any other brand) understands that when you buy software, there is always a chance that the plugin maker may go out of business, or the technology changes, and the plugin will no longer work and the creator either can't or won't update it. At that point it ceases to exist and and any value in it is gone (and you feel like you bought an NFT). With hardware that is usually not true (unless it goes up in smoke). I'm guilty, I bought a bunch of plugins, but I do understand what I did (and not saying anyone here did not understand - I'm just saying hopefully everyone does...).
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Post by ericn on Jul 21, 2024 19:20:07 GMT -6
From the UA point of view: It’s a pain in the ass when you are competing with the used version of yourself. Also when people see a bunch of plugins on the used market that are part of the latest bundle deal, they realize it isn’t the deal it’s billed to be.
It's not that they aren't deals, but that they are strategically put together so that the most popular products are not in the same bundle. If you really want them, you will purchase at least two bundles, or you'll do one bundle and individual plugin purchases. In this way, UA extracts the most money possible.
I mean, this isn't evil, it's just strategy; but if you're an existing customer you'll see that the bundle deals require you to purchase duplicates. So you do that or you do individual purchases. It does leave a sour taste as a costumer. You only feel you're getting a good deal the first time. Once you're a customer, the deals dwindle.
No it’s not evil, in fact UA has done a great job of growing its DSP based plugin market. It’s Genius we get GC & Sweetwater to push the interface and your first bundle, we get you on our mail list sell direct with constant deals and make the real long term $$. Pure genius and nobody has figured out UA is making all the $$, plus if you get sick of it and sell your DSP based UA we get to sell the new owner all those plugins. |
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Post by ericn on Jul 21, 2024 22:12:43 GMT -6
since UA did offer a bunch of plugins for $29 (obviously trying to compete with Waves, PA, etc.) then I'd say a used plugin is worth no more. But even if you could sell it for $29... minus a $20 admin fee would leave you $9. Would not be worth the time or hassle for me. But hopefully everyone that ever bought a UA plugin (or any other brand) understands that when you buy software, there is always a chance that the plugin maker may go out of business, or the technology changes, and the plugin will no longer work and the creator either can't or won't update it. At that point it ceases to exist and and any value in it is gone (and you feel like you bought an NFT). With hardware that is usually not true (unless it goes up in smoke). I'm guilty, I bought a bunch of plugins, but I do understand what I did (and not saying anyone here did not understand - I'm just saying hopefully everyone does...). After PayPal, reverb fees. Might as well give them away. |
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Post by drumsound on Jul 22, 2024 0:28:25 GMT -6
I wouldn't mind some sort of trading system among users. I traded with Greg and got his whole account. There are things I don't use, but someone else might, and they might have something I'd dig.
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Post by donr on Jul 22, 2024 0:39:29 GMT -6
What's a plugin worth today? $29, unless it's something you have to have. I paid $299 for Topaz video and photo AI to make my "End of Every Song" video, and I think it was worth it.
What did Topaz do for you? Is it mainly for deblurring/stabilizing?
Topaz is great for upscaling, sharpening, object removal (on stills, haven't tried it for video.) Makes cropped zoomed-in video watchable, even crappy .jpg images look presentable. AI fills in pixels and does a credible job. Video takes time to process, even with M1 Max. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 22, 2024 4:27:26 GMT -6
I wouldn't mind some sort of trading system among users. I traded with Greg and got his whole account. There are things I don't use, but someone else might, and they might have something I'd dig. Well, you can trade accounts, even if ua doesn’t officially support that and peeps can share plugs, but one person has the master account ( ie retains ownership). |
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Post by gwlee7 on Jul 22, 2024 5:34:12 GMT -6
I wouldn't mind some sort of trading system among users. I traded with Greg and got his whole account. There are things I don't use, but someone else might, and they might have something I'd dig. That was a great deal for both of us. Winners everywhere (which is how trades should be). |
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 22, 2024 5:54:47 GMT -6
It doesn’t work because software has no intrinsic value. Or value for a short window (and that window is at the beginning when you’re using it and don’t want to sell it!) 80% of the software and sample libraries I have bought over the last 25 years are useless, outmoded and outdated - worthless. Software is like a tank of petrol, gets you to were you want to go and then it’s used up and you need another tank - a commodity. Here an 1176 plugin - it’s great. Here’s our MK 2 version - now it’s really great Here’s the MK 3 check it out it’s 90% of the hardware Rinse - repeat. I wised up and just bought a hardware 1176  Yes, software is amazing and I use heaps of it as I have very limited amounts of hardware and no console but it’s still and has always been a “ticket to ride” as opposed to owning the car. |
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Post by drumsound on Jul 22, 2024 9:34:58 GMT -6
I wouldn't mind some sort of trading system among users. I traded with Greg and got his whole account. There are things I don't use, but someone else might, and they might have something I'd dig. Well, you can trade accounts, even if ua doesn’t officially support that and peeps can share plugs, but one person has the master account ( ie retains ownership). Do you add hardware devices or something to do this? I wouldn't mind some sort of trading system among users. I traded with Greg and got his whole account. There are things I don't use, but someone else might, and they might have something I'd dig. That was a great deal for both of us. Winners everywhere (which is how trades should be). Oh yeah, it's worked out GREAT. Weren't you gonna send me a new song to play on? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 22, 2024 9:40:20 GMT -6
Well, you can trade accounts, even if ua doesn’t officially support that and peeps can share plugs, but one person has the master account ( ie retains ownership). Do you add hardware devices or something to do this? That was a great deal for both of us. Winners everywhere (which is how trades should be). Oh yeah, it's worked out GREAT. Weren't you gonna send me a new song to play on? Well, not exactly, but informally, if you wipe personal info from your account, and give someone your password and or they give you their email associated with their ua account, they can log in and change the password and it’s now their account. For the second idea, ua has a formal process for letting say business partners share UA plugs, but only one of you retains ownership if the relationship ends |
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Post by drumsound on Jul 22, 2024 9:54:01 GMT -6
Do you add hardware devices or something to do this? Oh yeah, it's worked out GREAT. Weren't you gonna send me a new song to play on? Well, not exactly, but informally, if you wipe personal info from your account, and give someone your password and or they give you their email associated with their ua account, they can log in and change the password and it’s now their account. For the second idea, ua has a formal process for letting say business partners share UA plugs, but only one of you retains ownership if the relationship ends I think Greg and I went through 'advised' methods. I was thinking more about individual plugins. |
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Post by ericn on Jul 22, 2024 18:36:47 GMT -6
I wouldn't mind some sort of trading system among users. I traded with Greg and got his whole account. There are things I don't use, but someone else might, and they might have something I'd dig. Well, you can trade accounts, even if ua doesn’t officially support that and peeps can share plugs, but one person has the master account ( ie retains ownership). Yeah for UA our trick from the early days of plugins to get around transfer fee’s you register your plugins to disposable email addresses, you don’t just sell the plugin you sell the email account with it. |
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Post by copperx on Jul 22, 2024 18:45:56 GMT -6
Well, you can trade accounts, even if ua doesn’t officially support that and peeps can share plugs, but one person has the master account ( ie retains ownership). Yeah for UA our trick from the early days of plugins to get around transfer fee’s you register your plugins to disposable email addresses, you don’t just sell the plugin you sell the email account with it. Is this not possible anymore if you use a physical ilok? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 22, 2024 18:51:32 GMT -6
Well, not exactly, but informally, if you wipe personal info from your account, and give someone your password and or they give you their email associated with their ua account, they can log in and change the password and it’s now their account. For the second idea, ua has a formal process for letting say business partners share UA plugs, but only one of you retains ownership if the relationship ends I think Greg and I went through 'advised' methods. I was thinking more about individual plugins. Your sol on individual plug ins, unless you only have one ! |
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Post by ericn on Jul 22, 2024 18:58:28 GMT -6
Yeah for UA our trick from the early days of plugins to get around transfer fee’s you register your plugins to disposable email addresses, you don’t just sell the plugin you sell the email account with it. Is this not possible anymore if you use a physical ilok? With ILok you would have to have individual looks for each email address, we did it for years, especially when waves and a few others introduced transfer fees, of course you end up with one hell of a USB hub😁 |
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Post by doubledog on Jul 22, 2024 20:29:44 GMT -6
an officially transferred ilok license is $25... only time I did it was when I sold a Slate modeling mic and it cost me $50 to transfer the license bundle (ilok caps the fee at $50 if you transfer a bundled license... whoop de doo...)
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