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Post by theshea on Jul 18, 2024 14:53:21 GMT -6
do you mastering engineers often „cut“ a song in different parts? i‘ve got a quiet/loud song. it starts of quietly with just a vocal and a piano. the first refrain is louder with a few timpanis. the second verse veeery quiet again with bit of piano and some strings. than comes the crescendo towards a powerful second refrain with pumping timpanis and loud strings and vocals and background choir. all hell breaks loose so to speak.
now budget is tight. before hiring a pro mastering engineer i am gonna try it. my first attempt is not bad. i tried to keep the overall dynamics and compressed the loudest parts a few db‘s, keeping the quieter parts totally free of compression. i did a lot of volume automation.
now i am gonna try chopping the song in parts and doing different compression rates for the different sections. any other tipps except the obvious „hire a pro!“?
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Post by Dan on Jul 18, 2024 16:24:29 GMT -6
Lightly compress it it with something super smooth and program dependent to lessen the dichotomy. Don’t slam it into a limiter and make everything the same volume
You can also master the quiet sections differently and stitch it back together with short fades. I’ve done that. Clip gain can be your friend.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 18, 2024 17:46:56 GMT -6
Biggest thing for that is that the vocal level stays fairly consistent level wise. You don't want the super open quiet stuff to have a super loud vocal and then it's suddenly not as up front due to the automation of coming down to louder chorus. There are exceptions to this out there. As with all things.
But yeah, just basic volume/gain adjustments for that stuff is usually what I do. The bigger challenge is making the louder parts feel as open as the quiet parts and not squashing them a lot.
automation is your friend here. Be it clip gain/volume/plugin
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Post by trakworxmastering on Jul 19, 2024 11:06:08 GMT -6
You mentioned piano, vocals, choir, strings and tympani, so I'm guessing either Classical, Neo-Classical, Classical Pop, or Soundtrack type of genre.
My first approach would be to set my loudness, compression and limiting based on the big crescendo, then let the softer parts remain relatively untouched by the dynamics processing. That will preserve the dynamics in the performance. It's OK if some sections get no gain reduction.
If you want to lessen the dynamics in the performance, or you hear a reason to put compression on the softer sections, then splitting sections onto different tracks can work well. Pay careful attention to the places where the tracks separate and rejoin so it sounds natural. Make sure delay compensation is working perfectly. Listen through the whole track after printing it to make sure it worked.
Sometimes upward compression can be a nice way to lift the soft sections up from underneath instead of clamping down the loud sections. Sometimes.
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Post by theshea on Jul 19, 2024 12:17:52 GMT -6
thanks for suggestions. good to read that my strategies are good methods. in the meantime i checked out - for the first time - access analog. i used the free daking comp 2, ironage works eq, ssl fusion and neve mbt (had free trial codes). the neve mbt def stays on the masterbus! brings dimension and a classy sound to the track! fab piece of gear. i did also a very gently squeezing of the whole track with my most transparent comp, kotelnikof. just 1.2:1 ratio over the whole track to diminish the whole dynamic. rest will be automation and clip gain. after all its a pop track and the intro (piano and quiet vocals) should not be too quiet.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Jul 19, 2024 15:17:47 GMT -6
If ya get stuck, send the file to me, I'll take a pass at it~! (No charge at all) I just received a pair of new Mastering Monitors, and I'd like some different stuff to master, just so I can test the out with non familiar material. Have to get used to these, as I believe it's gonna be a bit of a learning curve. But we will see... SO far so good~!
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Post by smashlord on Jul 19, 2024 15:23:42 GMT -6
What you are describing sounds more like something that should be solved in mixing rather than mastering. When I master, the final limiter(s) might take off 4dB total in the loudest section of the song on big transients but nothing in the quieter sections. If you find you have a larger swing than that, I might try evening it out in mixing.
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Post by viciousbliss on Jul 20, 2024 7:48:35 GMT -6
I'll second what Dan said. You either find something that will adapt to the song when compressing so you don't end up with wild swings throughout the song or you need to make sure the loudest parts are hitting it at a lower volume via clip gain or similar. Sometimes you may need to do some subtractive eq so lower frequencies aren't triggering the compression as much. This can be an issue even if you set the compressor to bypass them. The Manley V9 compressor at Access Analog might be the best stand alone compressor that they have. You could try the Magic Garden chain where you'll get access to the Alpha.
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Post by niklas1073 on Jul 20, 2024 17:34:09 GMT -6
What you are describing sounds more like something that should be solved in mixing rather than mastering. When I master, the final limiter(s) might take off 4dB total in the loudest section of the song on big transients but nothing in the quieter sections. If you find you have a larger swing than that, I might try evening it out in mixing. I agree here and was thinking the same when I read thru the thread. I find myself sometimes in a similar situation with the topic starter. I am not a master engineer, I do not own mastering equipment (except my mixbus that could be considered a part of mastering chain) so I rather leave it to someone who knows their shit around mastering. Despite all this there are times when I find myself mastering a track. I do not limit my mixes, but I do compress and eq the 2bus. I sometimes go into master mode with a mix to unveil problems. Then I return to the mix and work out the problems. If I end up mastering a mix of mine, I will work the mix until I can use ozone for example to limit the mix and reach proper level and possibly tweak some eq, but that’s it. This kind of mastering would not be called a beautifully executed characteristic master. But it will sound like the mix at a proper level. When you start limiting and pushing the peaks of the song into the final levels, the mix shouldn’t break down. The initial dynamics and production should still be there. This of course might require a well working 2bus and a pretty finalized production.
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Post by theshea on Jul 21, 2024 9:46:04 GMT -6
If ya get stuck, send the file to me, I'll take a pass at it~! (No charge at all) I just received a pair of new Mastering Monitors, and I'd like some different stuff to master, just so I can test the out with non familiar material. Have to get used to these, as I believe it's gonna be a bit of a learning curve. But we will see... SO far so good~! pm
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