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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 10, 2024 19:18:15 GMT -6
I’ve had a Capi Heider for probably about a year now. Bought it to use on acoustics - I loved the original on acoustics - so this is even better. But boy have I slept on this thing. Thought I’d give it a shot on some vocals. Holy shit. It’s now my vocal pre.
It really reminds me of the H2 (no relation) Helios 0011. You all know my obsession with all things Helios…this is very reminiscent - but much punchier. Both are “fast”, maybe slightly mid forward…but the bottom on the Heider is just effing great.
So I just bought a second one to use on the Mixbus…and I’m in love. So ****ing punchy with this pristine top. Always looking for betterizers and this is one for sure. You know - running into the Burl AD when I had it was pretty subtle…this is anything but. It’s pretty substantial.
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Post by bluesholyman on Jul 10, 2024 20:11:22 GMT -6
You should (TM) "Betterizer"
Very cool about the Heider
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Post by Mister Chase on Jul 10, 2024 21:25:39 GMT -6
I know I would love a pair on mixbus. Oh my.
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Post by christophert on Jul 10, 2024 23:23:06 GMT -6
I love them on electric guitar and bass amps.
Snare drum is crazy good too.
Never tried them on acoustic or vocals
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Post by guitfiddler on Jul 11, 2024 6:35:13 GMT -6
 🤟🏻 For your drooling pleasure😆 The Heiders are much more affordable! I got excited when I saw this for a little over a thousand, and I realized it was just the power supply without the modules! I have to try some Heider H2’s |
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Post by ninworks on Jul 11, 2024 8:38:03 GMT -6
How do the API 312's compare to the Heiders? I have a pair of the API's and like them a lot.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 11, 2024 11:33:46 GMT -6
How do the API 312's compare to the Heiders? I have a pair of the API's and like them a lot. I'm biased, but I think everything CAPI makes sounds better than API. Maybe they've improved over the last few years - haven't tried one in a while... |
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Post by ninworks on Jul 11, 2024 11:37:40 GMT -6
The API's I have are not new. It's an A2D with 2 - 312 preamps in it. Those were made in the mid 2000's. I have a pair of Capi BT-50's and was blown away by them.
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Post by ericn on Jul 11, 2024 12:34:17 GMT -6
How do the API 312's compare to the Heiders? I have a pair of the API's and like them a lot. I'm biased, but I think everything CAPI makes sounds better than API. Maybe they've improved over the last few years - haven't tried one in a while... It’s a different philosophy, API wants to live off the history but with a cleaner kinder Gentler API. CAPI is rooted in the sound of vintage API. |
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Post by Dan on Jul 11, 2024 12:44:57 GMT -6
I'm biased, but I think everything CAPI makes sounds better than API. Maybe they've improved over the last few years - haven't tried one in a while... It’s a different philosophy, API wants to live off the history but with a cleaner kinder Gentler API. CAPI is rooted in the sound of vintage API. API is now for "modern rock" and "commercial metal" but it can still sound cool on guitars and snares. Everything else... |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 11, 2024 12:48:28 GMT -6
I remember thinking how bright they were when I tried them...
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Post by lowlou on Jul 11, 2024 13:00:05 GMT -6
I love my og Heider with Coloured knob. Vp28 are great too.
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Post by sentientsound on Jul 11, 2024 13:05:47 GMT -6
For those of you using it on mix bus, which impedance setting are you liking more?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 11, 2024 13:31:06 GMT -6
For those of you using it on mix bus, which impedance setting are you liking more? Only had it for 48 hours...but I think the 450. |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 11, 2024 14:46:41 GMT -6
Have never tried them on the 2bus but will have to check that out! Johnkenn are you talking Heider gen 1 or MkII's? I have a pair of both as well as the 0011's. All of them get used and are all great! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 11, 2024 14:54:55 GMT -6
Have never tried them on the 2bus but will have to check that out! Johnkenn are you talking Heider gen 1 or MkII's? I have a pair of both as well as the 0011's. All of them get used and are all great! MkII |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 11, 2024 15:10:10 GMT -6
Jeff said that 450 was going to be perceived as a little brighter than the 200 option. I noticed it had a volume jump too…I could be mistaken on that.
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Post by sparkey on Jul 11, 2024 16:55:55 GMT -6
I have the original heiders. IS it worth the upgrade to the H2?
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Post by jsteiger on Jul 11, 2024 18:56:32 GMT -6
For those of you using it on mix bus, which impedance setting are you liking more? It won't really matter as line mode takes precedent with a much higher impedance than in mic mode. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 11, 2024 19:27:39 GMT -6
For those of you using it on mix bus, which impedance setting are you liking more? It won't really matter as line mode takes precedent with a much higher impedance than in mic mode. I could have sworn it was louder when I switched from 200 to 450…maybe I changed something and didn’t realize. |
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Post by ericn on Jul 11, 2024 19:32:55 GMT -6
It won't really matter as line mode takes precedent with a much higher impedance than in mic mode. I could have sworn it was louder when I switched from 200 to 450…maybe I changed something and didn’t realize. Could just be the effect of what ever load you are driving. |
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Post by jsteiger on Jul 11, 2024 19:33:02 GMT -6
It won't really matter as line mode takes precedent with a much higher impedance than in mic mode. I could have sworn it was louder when I switched from 200 to 450…maybe I changed something and didn’t realize. 450Ω is 3dB louder than 200Ω when in mic mode but won't change level in line mode. |
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Post by smashlord on Jul 11, 2024 19:50:33 GMT -6
How do the API 312's compare to the Heiders? I have a pair of the API's and like them a lot. Similar, but different. CAPI's round off/thicken up the transient a bit more. Thicker and more "vintage" sounding, I guess. I think modern APIs are maybe more neutral/cleaner. I've never heard a 312 sound "wrong" on anything. I don't love them on vocals, but even so, they're fine. The CAPIs extra color can be great on the right source or not so great on the wrong source, in my experience. I've noticed that it seems to be a right of passage on gear forums to snub APIs when one discovers CAPI, but I personally don't buy it. They both are great, professional sounding pres. CAPIs, however, have some extra features that are definitely useful. |
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Post by roundbadge on Jul 11, 2024 23:54:07 GMT -6
How do the API 312's compare to the Heiders? I have a pair of the API's and like them a lot. I don't even use the mic pre's in my 1608 anymore.All outboard VP 28's and Heiders.Capi rules |
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Post by lowlou on Jul 12, 2024 7:14:44 GMT -6
This thread makes me wonder, is there a sensible connection or lineage between the Capi Heiders and the Helios modules ?
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