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Post by bluesholyman on Jul 9, 2024 7:12:04 GMT -6
I am not typically paying attention to the "sound" of drums in tracks but Carney's work/sound tends to be very nuanced, such that it stands out in such a good way.
I think he uses or has used a somewhat eclectic variation of kits over the years, but the kick in this song in particular has such a great sound, I'd love to understand how to reproduce it as best as possible.
Would appreciate your thoughts if you got 'em. There seems to be a slight difference in how the kick is mixed in the intro versus the verse where Dan is singing, so specifically, I am talking about the kick during the verses - the whole thing is awesome though.
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Post by nomatic on Jul 9, 2024 7:36:03 GMT -6
Sounds like at least a 24" kick with no hole in the front head...
Might be just a fet 47 with a lot of eq and really compressed with a medium attack time
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Post by sean on Jul 9, 2024 7:42:56 GMT -6
Send a message to Allen Parker on Instagram he’d probably tell you
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Post by svart on Jul 9, 2024 7:43:42 GMT -6
I am not typically paying attention to the "sound" of drums in tracks but Carney's work/sound tends to be very nuanced, such that it stands out in such a good way. I think he uses or has used a somewhat eclectic variation of kits over the years, but the kick in this song in particular has such a great sound, I'd love to understand how to reproduce it as best as possible. Would appreciate your thoughts if you got 'em. There seems to be a slight difference in how the kick is mixed in the intro versus the verse where Dan is singing, so specifically, I am talking about the kick during the verses - the whole thing is awesome though. Large but shallow kick, probably a vintage one. Soft heads and beater, so probably like Remo Fiberskins or maybe just ambassadors, but with no hole. Felt kick beater. You can hear the head ring in some of the parts so it's probably not dampened much other than the beater is staying on the head some. Mic is definitely on the outside, right up near the head, probably a condensor like a 47Fet. |
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Post by ragan on Jul 9, 2024 8:26:06 GMT -6
Haven’t listened yet but it looks like Tchad Blake mixed it (like all their records since Brothers I think). He is a low end wizard and does a lot with kicks, like mangled SansAmp mults, messing heavily with phase relationships.
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Post by bgrotto on Jul 9, 2024 10:13:18 GMT -6
Like the others said, sounds like a big diameter, shallow kick. The other mics around the kit are probably cumulatively as important as whatever was used for the close mic. That 'whoosh' isn't typically something that comes from a spot mic; rather, it's built up from the overheads, room mics, any 'character' mics that might be in place, and some spill.
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Post by theshea on Jul 9, 2024 11:47:43 GMT -6
played softly. most drummer hit the drums way to hard robbing the tone …
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Post by bentley on Jul 9, 2024 15:27:14 GMT -6
Suspect that's some typical Tchad Blake voodoo on the low end. Anyway, this might be of interest:
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Post by russellcreekps on Jul 9, 2024 19:44:54 GMT -6
Oh I love ‘how did they get that sound’ threads! Following…
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Post by paulcheeba on Jul 10, 2024 10:40:54 GMT -6
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Post by drbill on Jul 10, 2024 14:38:04 GMT -6
theshea - I was also going to mention that the BD is being played softly. IMO, that's probably 70+ % of the sound.
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Post by Dan on Jul 11, 2024 1:35:29 GMT -6
Big kick hit softly and boosted with a megaton of distortion. The kick changing is probably the limiting messing with it when the vocals come in. The record is too loud to really play back any sort of realistic drum kit sound. Vocals are often pumped down and buried. Sounds cool but heavily artifacted and so much of it is small and being pumped around. Much of the timbre of this modern rock stuff stems from it being slammed into some limiter set a certain way.
Edit: also they might be doing stuff in tracking or mixing to get it out of the way of or counteract the limiter
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Post by bentley on Jul 11, 2024 23:30:07 GMT -6
That reminded me that Tchad mixes a particular electronic Drumagog sample into pretty much every kick he mixes. There's also some Decpitator presets out there with his name on them including one titled "LoHiLife" that's a mix of distortion and has the "thump" engaged. Sneaky suspicion that's part of the sound. |
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Post by roundbadge on Jul 11, 2024 23:49:59 GMT -6
Hire Tchad Blake to mix it.
nothing special drum wise.
yes lots of parallel sans amp/Decap and added sub samples etc.but ultimately his ears are the reason it sounds like that
subscribe to "Mix with the Masters" for real insight into what he does.hes very thorough on his process.
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Post by timix on Jul 13, 2024 9:34:13 GMT -6
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Post by paulcheeba on Jul 15, 2024 11:55:42 GMT -6
That reminded me that Tchad mixes a particular electronic Drumagog sample into pretty much every kick he mixes. There's also some Decpitator presets out there with his name on them including one titled "LoHiLife" that's a mix of distortion and has the "thump" engaged. Sneaky suspicion that's part of the sound. That’s what he told me when we were chatting, he had the same sub kick he adds to all drums he mixes. RB is right though it’s Tchad’s ears I don’t know when they went disco pop but their early stuff is so cool and raw and the drumming is like a teenager. |
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Post by Ward on Jul 15, 2024 12:08:36 GMT -6
Sounds like at least a 24" kick with no hole in the front head... Might be just a fet 47 with a lot of eq and really compressed with a medium attack time Send a message to Allen Parker on Instagram he’d probably tell you That is NOT a hard sound to achieve. 24" kick, single ply batter head, tuned low, front head with a 12" diameter hole, also tuned low, FET47 out in front with a little 330 to 350 scooped out, a little top end added and put a tunnel around it. And yes, whoever said a softer attack is correct. All IMHE of course. But it sounds like exactly what I do. |
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Post by paulcheeba on Jul 22, 2024 23:02:00 GMT -6
BTW if anyone is interested these were all recorded in my French stone Courtyard with a variety of vintage Neumann’s and a collection of kicks etc. I then mixed them without adding any samples to sound like club kicks to use alone or boost mixes as I still hadn’t heard original ones that satisfied me and found sample libraries to be lacking in most cases. They went viral, were downloaded like mad and used on many records. I’ve since moved back to the U.K. where I have a converted church studio. It sounds beautiful and since I left my day job in Morcheeba I have been wasting all my expensive outboard gear, mic collection and studio time exclusively recording hundreds of drum breaks that I will make available in due course. Here was a batch from a few years ago m.soundcloud.com/paulcheeba/greedy-beats-demoI hope you enjoy them as much as I enjoy recording them. |
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