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Post by ironinthepath on Jul 8, 2024 9:57:19 GMT -6
I'm biased towards the hardware side but I'm curious if over the years plugins typically motivated the purchase of particular hardware pieces (or maybe the building of a "clone" or similar hardware unit)....or...if the availability of the plugins sort of resulted in overall less reliance or desire for hardware in your studio setups? More or less as a trend.
For me, I had a Mackie/Universal Audio UAD-1 card back in the early 2000s (along with a Waves Gold bundle), they felt like a (really nice) flight simulator and in the end I just wanted to fly "the real thing" --> plugins have definitely improved over the years or I've improved my flow a bit more to find their use increasingly acceptable (or maybe my ears just got more used to them). I've gone the hardware route big-time, no regret, personally, as of yet even though I know many big names are fully ITB now.
Part of me wonders if, in the beginning, the UAD plugins were partially developed with the intent of selling their hardware reissues.
Just curious.
Thanks.
-Chris
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Post by basspro on Jul 8, 2024 10:12:52 GMT -6
I think the prevalence of plugins that modeled vintage hardware definitely created a lot of lust for that hardware. But, I don't think that was the intent of modeling the hardware in the first place.
Initially, I imagine a lot of people just wanted the ability to get those sounds once they were already in the box without needing to go hybrid. Also, the idea of strapping 1176's or LA-2A's across a ton of tracks in a mix was something that just wasn't possible when you only had a couple per studio. So I think it was just a way to adapt to a new way of working (digital) that ended up creating a huge desire to have the real thing for a lot of people. I started recording in the early 2000's and used a real 1176 for the first time at about the same time I tried the plugin. While I saw the usefulness of the plugin, I lusted after a real 1176 for years. (should have bought one then, now I'm priced out and had to settle for clones)
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Post by ericn on Jul 8, 2024 14:10:14 GMT -6
Both, depending on price point, if plugins didn’t sell hardware hardware manufacturers wouldn’t be open to licensing their name and likeness, if Gear didn’t sell plugins plugin developers wouldn’t be chasing the hardware manufacturers for their name and likeness.
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Post by knucklehead89 on Jul 8, 2024 17:31:39 GMT -6
Both for me. When I heard the Softubes TLA-100 for the first time it made me immediately want one. Same with the API2500. But having an Overstayer FET it made me want to buy the Softube pluggin version of the MAS. I think it’s a two way street. Plug-ins have made me buy and sell hardware for different reasons.
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Post by eyebytwomuchgeer on Jul 9, 2024 6:42:16 GMT -6
I've had a tendency to buy plugins based on my hardware. So, while I already had a pair of Distressors, I did buy the UAD plugin at some point when it was in a bundle or on sale. Same with my CAPI BT50s/LC25s/LC40s and the UAD API EQs. I've tried to keep my plugins to a minimum, and mirroring my hardware has helped in that regard.
I did have the UAD 33609 before I grabbed the Stam version. An eventually, I will build some Hairball 1176s to match my 1176 plugins.
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Post by svart on Jul 9, 2024 6:53:38 GMT -6
The other way around. The hardware sold me the plugs.
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Post by geoff738 on Jul 9, 2024 13:09:32 GMT -6
Hmmm. When I began my plugin binge last fall I definitely was looking for plugs of hardware stuff. I wanted an La2a and 3a and multiple flavours of 1176s. And bought them I did. At some point I had purchased plugs of pretty much all the classic hardware I was interested in. Then I kinda pivoted to wanting more off the beaten path stuff. If someone made a good Daking compressorI would definitely buy that.
I m not sure that answers the question, but that’s my story.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by Dan on Jul 9, 2024 16:12:56 GMT -6
The emulations of almost all non-linear processors do not work. They are almost all dysfunctional and misbehave horribly. People who apologize for them eat shit and like it. Their work would be better if they used the functional analog hardware, even pieces that are mostly distortion with some processing, or functional digital processors.
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Post by russellcreekps on Jul 9, 2024 19:58:49 GMT -6
For me, neither. My hardware only hits the way in and the way out (unless there’s a major issue with a track that could obviously benefit from some outboard love in the mix). I typically won’t buy outboard pieces if I can get a passable option itb. Although, I did recently get the Mixwave CA-70s and that (along with Millsounds review) has me yearning for a pair.
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Post by mcirish on Jul 9, 2024 20:39:27 GMT -6
It's gone both ways for me. I've used software and liked it so much that I wanted to use it while tracking. That got me to buy the hardware. In some cases, the hardware I wanted was just too big and expensive but I liked what it did so I got the closest software version I could.
I will say, I can abuse hardware a lot more than software and it stays sounding good. Software has more of a sweet spot.
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Post by ironinthepath on Jul 11, 2024 9:43:57 GMT -6
The emulations of almost all non-linear processors do not work. They are almost all dysfunctional and misbehave horribly. People who apologize for them eat shit and like it. Their work would be better if they used the functional analog hardware, even pieces that are mostly distortion with some processing, or functional digital processors. has a way with words! :-) |
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Post by ironinthepath on Jul 11, 2024 9:44:37 GMT -6
I think the prevalence of plugins that modeled vintage hardware definitely created a lot of lust for that hardware. But, I don't think that was the intent of modeling the hardware in the first place. I am asking partially since I also believe this to be true, but I can't find any old Tape Op or Mix Magazine interview or some other "official" reference with a similar quote to that point. There is a university student I know doing some research for his program and needs to a cite reference, I told him I probably could find something along those lines: but couldn't! |
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