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Post by mulmany on Aug 18, 2014 16:34:03 GMT -6
I love the Ampeg tube amps for guitar or bass. V4 is another good one, a little cheaper and not as massively loud and heavy. Find an early 70's Ampeg V4-B, replace all the caps to 600 volt parts and you are good to go. These bad boys pushed the safe operating voltage to the limits. My 71 has the best tone I have ever heard in a rig, pushing a 4x12 vented v-2 cab. The Eq is really great as well. |
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Post by Guitar on Aug 18, 2014 16:34:42 GMT -6
I have to say, the Waves LA3A does a really cool thing to bass, I know Sylvia Massey goes to a pair of the real deal UA for DI/amp on bass all the time.
Can't wait to finally build my Serpents. UAD2 compressors are consistently good, too, in general. There, I've mentioned 4 versions of the same thing!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 16:38:23 GMT -6
Oh yes, Tony. I used to play my deep Bogart thru a cab with 1x15" and 2x8" speakers (Peavey, the bass working horses).
Deep low end and brilliant plectrum attack sound. Worked nicely around the guitars in all live situations.
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Post by Guitar on Aug 18, 2014 16:45:18 GMT -6
I love the Ampeg tube amps for guitar or bass. V4 is another good one, a little cheaper and not as massively loud and heavy. Find an early 70's Ampeg V4-B, replace all the caps to 600 volt parts and you are good to go. These bad boys pushed the safe operating voltage to the limits. My 71 has the best tone I have ever heard in a rig, pushing a 4x12 vented v-2 cab. The Eq is really great as well. My friend had one and I loved it. I had to work on it once, reflow some cold solder joints. He took some acetone and wiped all the labels off of the controls, I thought he was insane, but it did look kind of cool, even though you couldn't tell what anything was. These have got to be the fattest sounding amps I've heard besides a Super Lead 100 or something. My other friend had a vintage SVT, and it just seemed like nobody really wanted to deal with it, hahaha. It was so silly seeing it set up in a 100-capacity bar, for a crowd of about 20, on this tiny little stage, balanced on top of this tiny speaker cabinet. I got to record it once, though, and of course it's one of the best bass sounds I've heard. We also put a Fender Showman at the bottom of a stairwell for the guitar and pretended to be Jimmy Page or something, that was a lot of fun. |
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Post by Guitar on Aug 18, 2014 16:50:37 GMT -6
The "dirty-six-dirty" mentioned by mobeach sounds great on bass with upgraded psu and OPA4227 opamps, btw... (on alot of other stuff, too...) Do you think this would work out in a 3632 ? The briefly lived updated version, no wall wart. I really want one, because of Daft Punk, haha. I like the idea of running some better op amps and maybe using it more often. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 17:11:59 GMT -6
Until now, i had no chance to see what's under the hood of these units.
I can imagine there will be some things updated, that make mods more difficult (if necessary at all!)...
E.g. the old PSU with wall wart was easy to upgrade. 2 Caps exchanged, new wall wart, ready.
Also, the old unit was unbalanced. Totally ok to run it directly on bass amp insert and keyboards. A balancing circuit might have to be modded additionally to get the most out of it...
Also, i guess the new unit uses SMD parts most of the time. Well, not that much of a problem if one can solder. But i liked to socket the opamps to check out, which ones sounded best to my ears...
Well, i hesitate to buy one of the new units just to find out i like my old one better......
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Post by Ward on Aug 18, 2014 17:22:08 GMT -6
The ampegs also had a very midrange heavy sound, especially when close mic'd on stacks because of the use of multiple smaller speakers rather than a single larger speaker. This helps over-emphasize the midrange, leading to more definition in the mix. Certain 'Rush' recordings come to mind. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 17:23:55 GMT -6
For what Daft Punk did, just make any VCA compressor pump hard, and add some dark transistor grit. Ready. LOL. ;-)
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 18, 2014 17:39:49 GMT -6
I love the Ampeg tube amps for guitar or bass. V4 is another good one, a little cheaper and not as massively loud and heavy. Find an early 70's Ampeg V4-B, replace all the caps to 600 volt parts and you are good to go. These bad boys pushed the safe operating voltage to the limits. My 71 has the best tone I have ever heard in a rig, pushing a 4x12 vented v-2 cab. The Eq is really great as well. The V4 is probably my favorite bass amp for rock. When paired with a jazz bass, it's got massive amounts of throat to cut through the music. Can get nice and hairy when pushed too. Fantastic amp. |
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Post by Ward on Aug 18, 2014 20:35:58 GMT -6
Extremely underrated and oft times forgotten. Ampeg amplifiers from the 70s were the bomb!
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Post by mulmany on Aug 18, 2014 22:49:16 GMT -6
Find an early 70's Ampeg V4-B, replace all the caps to 600 volt parts and you are good to go. These bad boys pushed the safe operating voltage to the limits. My 71 has the best tone I have ever heard in a rig, pushing a 4x12 vented v-2 cab. The Eq is really great as well. The V4 is probably my favorite bass amp for rock. When paired with a jazz bass, it's got massive amounts of throat to cut through the music. Can get nice and hairy when pushed too. Fantastic amp. Have you come across the "B", different breed but still a v-4. A old friend of mine was using a standard V-4 for bass, and always commented how my B always sounded better. Don't get me wrong the V-4 was great, but if you want low the B has a normal/bass switch that brings it down to a whole new level. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 19, 2014 5:12:25 GMT -6
The V4 is probably my favorite bass amp for rock. When paired with a jazz bass, it's got massive amounts of throat to cut through the music. Can get nice and hairy when pushed too. Fantastic amp. Have you come across the "B", different breed but still a v-4. A old friend of mine was using a standard V-4 for bass, and always commented how my B always sounded better. Don't get me wrong the V-4 was great, but if you want low the B has a normal/bass switch that brings it down to a whole new level. I've used both and have been totally satisfied with both. I haven't found the need for the bass switch on the B, plenty of bottom without the switch, IMO. The bass switch will rob some highs too, so unless I'm playing some reggae, it's not what I need. I think the standard V4 rolls the lows off a bit higher too, but I think there is a single component to swap if you want the extension. I'm really interested in checking out the new V4B reissue though. Looks like a killer amp and should incur a lot less maintenance, at least for the first couple years. |
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Post by jimwilliams on Aug 19, 2014 8:53:57 GMT -6
If you enlarge the plate coupling cap on Ampegs you can extend the roll-off to below 30 hz. They used .01 uf on the V4B, enlarge those to .022 or .047.
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Post by svart on Aug 29, 2014 20:10:10 GMT -6
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Post by odyssey76 on Aug 30, 2014 15:27:06 GMT -6
Hey svart - I just listened to the tracks and they sound great. Can you tell me a little about the tracking chain (type of bass also) and mixing for the bass tone in 'Amelia'. I really like this tone and am trying to achieve someting similar to this myself but really don't know where to start. What i like about it: very liquid smooth. Not much detail in the string sound or note transients of the bass just incredibly fat and round. You seemed to have cleared out a ton of space in the middle so that every note is very articulate. I really like the sense of power this tone gives to the track. Thanks! |
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Post by svart on Aug 30, 2014 16:16:28 GMT -6
The bass was a no name short scale bass with a single coil pickup. I took a DI through the redeye into a SSL9k pre and mic'd a v30 speaker with an r121 into a 1272 pre.
In mixing i decided to only use the DI. I then limited it with an L1 and then went through the Christortion plug, then to an EQ plug where i boosted 40 and 100hz.
From there it goes out to the mixer. On the pre-eq, i highpass at 75 and boost more at 80. From there it goes to the insert and out to a dbx160 and back to another channel for more eq. I cut around 180 because of a big bumpy note and cut around 500 for another boomy note.
That's all!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 30, 2014 16:54:50 GMT -6
The bass was a no name short scale bass with a single coil pickup. I took a DI through the redeye into a SSL9k pre and mic'd a v30 speaker with an r121 into a 1272 pre. In mixing i decided to only use the DI. I then limited it with an L1 and then went through the Christortion plug, then to an EQ plug where i boosted 40 and 100hz. From there it goes out to the mixer. On the pre-eq, i highpass at 75 and boost more at 80. From there it goes to the insert and out to a dbx160 and back to another channel for more eq. I cut around 180 because of a big bumpy note and cut around 500 for another boomy note. That's all! What was the v30 powered with? |
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Post by svart on Aug 30, 2014 17:26:42 GMT -6
The bass was a no name short scale bass with a single coil pickup. I took a DI through the redeye into a SSL9k pre and mic'd a v30 speaker with an r121 into a 1272 pre. In mixing i decided to only use the DI. I then limited it with an L1 and then went through the Christortion plug, then to an EQ plug where i boosted 40 and 100hz. From there it goes out to the mixer. On the pre-eq, i highpass at 75 and boost more at 80. From there it goes to the insert and out to a dbx160 and back to another channel for more eq. I cut around 180 because of a big bumpy note and cut around 500 for another boomy note. That's all! What was the v30 powered with? I believe it was the clean channel on my peavey jsx with some mids boosted for a little growl. I intended for the bass to be more present in the mix(using the mic track) but we soon found that there was plenty going on in the mids and decided to just use it for lows, so we only used the DI track. |
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