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Post by matt on Aug 14, 2014 13:02:54 GMT -6
I'm actually trying to find that song on Youtube, but all i find are live versions. I don't have Itunes.. Ah found it. Even through my earbuds at work, I hear a tremendous amount of low-frequency content across most of the elements of the mix. A very interesting approach, surely there is additive and/or harmonic synthesis going on, and not only on the bass guitar part. |
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Post by Guitar on Aug 14, 2014 15:00:22 GMT -6
I am hearing the bass drum and snare being very deep and punchy, and those massive foot stomps are really bassy. The electric guitar doing the tic-tac bass part is punching a lot too, I think it's layered an octave above the bass guitar which is also muted in the verses, makes it sound like one big instrument. The bass guitar is playing a sub frequency part, I couldn't even hear it on my little speakers. This really does sound like a lot of Maxx Bass or Renaissance Bass, having messed with those, even the vocals kind of sound like it.
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Post by scumbum on Aug 15, 2014 10:50:49 GMT -6
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Post by svart on Aug 15, 2014 11:41:24 GMT -6
You know, I've read that elsewhere, but I can't find any definitive info on this. I also read that he pushed 40hz and 200hz very heavily on the mixes too. I tried some experiments last night while waiting for the artist dujour to show up for the session. I took the bass track, which was very mid heavy, and cut 300-500 very drastically and then pushed that into a free harmonic generating plug-in called Christortion. In that plug you are able to adjust levels of certain harmonics, so I jacked up the even harmonics and cut the fundamental and odd harmonics, then boosted 150-200 on the EQ before the compressor. I then boosted a much wider 100-200ish range with the post EQ and it seemed to get me a very thumpy bass without it being too muddy. I'll have the results up in a few days in my "work in progress" thread. |
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Post by matt on Aug 15, 2014 13:59:39 GMT -6
So, to have some fun with this, what's out there in the way of plugs beyond what has already been mentioned?
MaxxBass
Christortion
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The title of this thread makes me think of certain songs . . .
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Post by mobeach on Aug 15, 2014 16:34:13 GMT -6
5 string Jazz Bass through an Ampeg.
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 15, 2014 16:56:10 GMT -6
So, to have some fun with this, what's out there in the way of plugs beyond what has already been mentioned? MaxxBass Christortion and ?? The title of this thread makes me think of certain songs . . . 1176 bass distortion trick www.uaudio.com/blog/1176-collection-tips/ |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 15, 2014 17:41:48 GMT -6
I spent a few minutes playing around with Fabfilter Saturn on bass...pretty cool.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 15, 2014 17:42:49 GMT -6
Doesn't Cubase have some "render audio to midi" thing? Might be cool to try and augment bass parts with some moog thingy...wayyy down low
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Post by Guitar on Aug 15, 2014 18:51:55 GMT -6
UAD has a Hz Enhancer (bass) and a kHz enhancer (for treble), the bass one's free with a UAD buy, I think. The Waves few are a little different, worth comparing. a really dorky free one is from mda. It's called sub-synth or something simple like that, I don't quite recall. It's free though, I used it on kick drum once. In hardware, there's the Peavey Kosmos, that got used by Kevin Caveman Shirley on the Zeppelin double DVD box set a few years back. Check out this interview it's mind boggling www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov03/articles/kevinshirley.htmActually there are a lot of hardware options, none very expensive. |
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Post by scumbum on Aug 16, 2014 12:26:15 GMT -6
.......How could I leave this behind?  |
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Post by jimwilliams on Aug 17, 2014 10:08:43 GMT -6
5 string Jazz Bass through an Ampeg. The SVT was designed as a 300 watt guitar amp. It rolls off at 90 hz through the preamps. There is a lack of depth with those preamps. Patch another pre into the power amp input and vola, there's that 28 hz low end. |
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Post by Ward on Aug 17, 2014 11:16:43 GMT -6
Have I ever mentioned the magic and beauty of an old LA4 compressor on bass? (especially when fronted with a U5 or tube preamp). Just wondering, I may not have mentioned this before.
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Post by mobeach on Aug 17, 2014 12:19:05 GMT -6
I actually use an Alesis 3630 in my bass rig (GK) have for years and love the tone.
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Post by mobeach on Aug 17, 2014 12:49:19 GMT -6
My one time in a pro studio the engineer turned down the low end on my SVT.
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 17, 2014 13:00:23 GMT -6
5 string Jazz Bass through an Ampeg. The SVT was designed as a 300 watt guitar amp. It rolls off at 90 hz through the preamps. There is a lack of depth with those preamps. Patch another pre into the power amp input and vola, there's that 28 hz low end. i've been messing with a vp28 into the power amp of my SVT for about a year now, it sounds unreal! I recently blew a power tube and i'm currently trying to figure out that whole mess.... |
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Post by Guitar on Aug 17, 2014 13:11:16 GMT -6
I love the Ampeg tube amps for guitar or bass. V4 is another good one, a little cheaper and not as massively loud and heavy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 14:16:25 GMT -6
The "dirty-six-dirty" mentioned by mobeach sounds great on bass with upgraded psu and OPA4227 opamps, btw... (on alot of other stuff, too...)
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Post by mobeach on Aug 18, 2014 14:57:18 GMT -6
maybe I'll have someone do the mods for me some day.
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Post by svart on Aug 18, 2014 15:07:21 GMT -6
The problem with the early 3630's was that there was an incorrect resistor used in the design which gave it the strange distorted sound that was commonly called the "3630 sound", and why so many people hated it.
The later versions of 3630 had this fixed and worked normally, but the marketing damage had already been done.
I assume this was an early model of 3630 with the slight distortion. Bass loves a tiny bit of distortion because it helps it gain definition in the mix. If it's not there, most engineers will add a little.
The ampegs also had a very midrange heavy sound, especially when close mic'd on stacks because of the use of multiple smaller speakers rather than a single larger speaker. This helps over-emphasize the midrange, leading to more definition in the mix.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 15:45:23 GMT -6
Yepp, those Alesis guys also left out a capacitor of the reference design erroneously in the first revisions, and used a very inferior quad opamp in the detector (?) section, that is far from beeing an audio opamp and mostly used as a comparator.
The missing cap issue had been fixed in revision d.
This alone, together with the much too low dimensioned wall wart (use 1.2-1.5 Amp wallwart instead...) and underdimensioned psu elyt caps made alot of awful things to the otherwise ok designed unit. E.g. it rendered the gate near useless, makes it easy to distort etc.pp..
You can fix the issues while leaving the opamps in the audio path alone, if you generally like the darker gritty tone of the original. (TL084 or TL074 if i remember it correctly). The unit is one of those rare occacions, where different opamps really give a very different sound to the unit...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 15:59:39 GMT -6
I also tried throwing the UAD LA3A emulation at the bass recently, and it was quite good. So i guess, in hardware it works, too. But the LA4 seems to be the ideal opto for bass in the ears of most bassmen...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 16:15:58 GMT -6
If you really want a bass in your studio, that can make a huge clear lowend, try to get your hand on an active Bogart bass (uses their own graphite neck and Noll electronics). Not for everyone, but quite flexible great instruments. Fun to play if you like modern handling and sounds.
I have a Bogart SKC from the 90s that beats everything down the deep notes...
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 18, 2014 16:21:15 GMT -6
Ward what is the charachteristic differences between the 3a and the 4? i know the 4 is led based, and has darker sounding opamps, but can you give us a little more dirt on that comparison?,... especially when applied to bass. thanx
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 18, 2014 16:33:04 GMT -6
If you really want a bass in your studio, that can make a huge clear lowend, try to get your hand on an active Bogart bass (uses their own graphite neck and Noll electronics). Not for everyone, but quite flexible great instruments. Fun to play if you like modern handling and sounds. I have a Bogart SKC from the 90s that beats everything down the deep notes... cool, also a good trick to getting some big bottom is to reamp your direct bass track to a SVT head(or super powered tube head of sort) and run it through a 15" cab(sealed if your funky), use a ribbon mic and move it around till you find the sweet spot where you get just the right amount of proximity effect, this pushes way down without having to resort to artificial subsonic generating plugs. also, large diameter bass drums rule for bottom, a relatively shallow 26" kick, will embarrass a very deep 22" kick every time ime |
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