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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 26, 2024 10:23:41 GMT -6
And Kiive no less! Awesome.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 26, 2024 10:24:59 GMT -6
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Post by basspro on Jun 26, 2024 10:27:50 GMT -6
Oh man, looks great!
I recently made a promise to myself to not get any more "duplicate" plugins, aka multiple versions of the same hardware. I have the Arturia Sta-Level already, but this might be worth breaking the rules for!
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 26, 2024 11:27:11 GMT -6
Looks/sounds very interesting in that demo.
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Post by mcirish on Jun 26, 2024 11:28:10 GMT -6
Makes me wonder how it stacks up to MJUC. I was actually thinking about buying the hardware a while back but just didn't have the rack space.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 26, 2024 11:29:16 GMT -6
On sale for $89, down from list $149.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 26, 2024 12:21:47 GMT -6
Oh man, looks great! I recently made a promise to myself to not get any more "duplicate" plugins, aka multiple versions of the same hardware. I have the Arturia Sta-Level already, but this might be worth breaking the rules for! I haven’t really been blown away by the Arturia Sta…I tend to choose something else over it every time. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 26, 2024 12:25:49 GMT -6
This is not judgement on anything - I just wonder the thought process on these HW companies doing plugs. I guess it’s smart to go ahead and do your own take and make the money. And maybe those of us that would buy the HW would either not bother with the plug or use it as a stand-in. But if it’s supposed to sound as good as the HW, why should I buy the HW?
I guess the answer is - it doesn’t. Not saying this one in particular, but in general. But they do seem to be getting a lot closer. Can’t wait to check this out.
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Post by notneeson on Jun 26, 2024 12:34:11 GMT -6
I bet it’s kind of like how everyone and their mom sort of knows how to use an 1176 thanks to Bomb Factory and UAD. And that sells a ton of… WA76.
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Post by phantom on Jun 26, 2024 12:42:47 GMT -6
This is not judgement on anything - I just wonder the thought process on these HW companies doing plugs. I guess it’s smart to go ahead and do your own take and make the money. And maybe those of us that would buy the HW would either not bother with the plug or use it as a stand-in. But if it’s supposed to sound as good as the HW, why should I buy the HW? I guess the answer is - it doesn’t. Not saying this one in particular, but in general. But they do seem to be getting a lot closer. Can’t wait to check this out. Well, I think that even if they make the plugin to sound better than the HW, people that would buy the HW will still buy the HW. And the reason for them to release a plugin is money. There's a huge market for plugins and it's hundreds of times bigger then the market for HW. For example, I bet that the number of Silver Bullet plugin users is a lot bigger than Silver Bullet hardware users. Even being release years after. But since the plugin is a lot cheaper as well, I would like to know if the plugin has already surpassed the profit that the hw made. I would bet not, because it's a popular unit, but I would also bet that it eventually will. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 26, 2024 12:45:41 GMT -6
This is not judgement on anything - I just wonder the thought process on these HW companies doing plugs. I guess it’s smart to go ahead and do your own take and make the money. And maybe those of us that would buy the HW would either not bother with the plug or use it as a stand-in. But if it’s supposed to sound as good as the HW, why should I buy the HW? I guess the answer is - it doesn’t. Not saying this one in particular, but in general. But they do seem to be getting a lot closer. Can’t wait to check this out. Well, I think that even if they make the plugin to sound better than the HW, people that would buy the HW will still buy the HW. And the reason for them to release a plugin is money. There's a huge market for plugins and it's hundreds of times bigger then the market for HW. For example, I bet that the number of Silver Bullet plugin users is a lot bigger than Silver Bullet hardware users. Even being release years after. But since the plugin is a lot cheaper as well, I would like to know if the plugin has already surpassed the profit that the hw made. I would bet not, because it's a popular unit, but I would also bet that it eventually will. Agree. But you’re also making larger profit-per-transaction with HW…but yeah, if you’re selling 50x as many plugs…you make that up. I guess the real question is how big is the subsect of people that were going to buy the Hw. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 26, 2024 12:56:01 GMT -6
$3,000 cdn vs under $50, I’ll likely never own a HW SB, the plug in was a no brainer.
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Post by phantom on Jun 26, 2024 12:57:00 GMT -6
Well, I think that even if they make the plugin to sound better than the HW, people that would buy the HW will still buy the HW. And the reason for them to release a plugin is money. There's a huge market for plugins and it's hundreds of times bigger then the market for HW. For example, I bet that the number of Silver Bullet plugin users is a lot bigger than Silver Bullet hardware users. Even being release years after. But since the plugin is a lot cheaper as well, I would like to know if the plugin has already surpassed the profit that the hw made. I would bet not, because it's a popular unit, but I would also bet that it eventually will. Agree. But you’re also making larger profit-per-transaction with HW…but yeah, if you’re selling 50x as many plugs…you make that up. I guess the real question is how big is the subsect of people that were going to buy the Hw. Well, people are buying less hardwares because of plugins, that's a fact. But I don't think that owning a specific unit as plugin makes you not buy that as unit as hw. That might happen but the contrary might happen as well. For example, people won't feel the need to buy a Silver Bullet because they already have Decapitator, or Softube Overstayer MAS, not because they have LTL SB plugin. On other words, I don't think any company will lose money by selling plugins of their hws. I think they will lose money by not entering this game. I don't know how to feel about it, but it is what it is. |
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Post by drumsound on Jun 26, 2024 13:00:12 GMT -6
I think it's a bit of a hopefully profitable feedback loop. "I love the plugin, I'm gonna put money into getting the hardware for tracking." "We tracked with the hardware at the studio, now I'd get the plugin for mixing at home/for multiple instances."
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Post by whiskeyway on Jun 26, 2024 13:13:36 GMT -6
Well, I think that even if they make the plugin to sound better than the HW, people that would buy the HW will still buy the HW. And the reason for them to release a plugin is money. There's a huge market for plugins and it's hundreds of times bigger then the market for HW. For example, I bet that the number of Silver Bullet plugin users is a lot bigger than Silver Bullet hardware users. Even being release years after. But since the plugin is a lot cheaper as well, I would like to know if the plugin has already surpassed the profit that the hw made. I would bet not, because it's a popular unit, but I would also bet that it eventually will. Agree. But you’re also making larger profit-per-transaction with HW…but yeah, if you’re selling 50x as many plugs…you make that up. I guess the real question is how big is the subsect of people that were going to buy the Hw. I think they're borderline different markets imo. When I first started making music, I pirated every plugin I could get my hands on. When I figured out a workflow, and what worked best for me I started to buy the plugins I needed. Now I'm at the place to buy the analog hardware that I've been using in the box for so long. In a roundabout way, I believe that people are similar to me in the sense that, I want to own a piece of the tools I've been using. AudioScape and other HW manufacturers are likely just trying to get these products in more people hands in order to build awareness and create future hardware sales. Ultimately I believe that while HW isn't technically superior to plugins, it adds a little analog magic and allows you to form an intimate connection with the tools you're using. |
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Post by drumsound on Jun 26, 2024 13:14:38 GMT -6
This is a good demo and I'm kinda drawn in. I think the guy's nuts about the drive making the vocal better, but that's just taste (or lack there of) |
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Post by phantom on Jun 26, 2024 13:19:40 GMT -6
Agree. But you’re also making larger profit-per-transaction with HW…but yeah, if you’re selling 50x as many plugs…you make that up. I guess the real question is how big is the subsect of people that were going to buy the Hw. I think they're borderline different markets imo. When I first started making music, I pirated every plugin I could get my hands on. When I figured out a workflow, and what worked best for me I started to buy the plugins I needed. Now I'm at the place to buy the analog hardware that I've been using in the box for so long. In a roundabout way, I believe that people are similar to me in the sense that, I want to own a piece of the tools I've been using. AudioScape and other HW manufacturers are likely just trying to get these products in more people hands in order to build awareness and create future hardware sales. Ultimately I believe that while HW isn't technically superior to plugins, it adds a little analog magic and allows you to form an intimate connection with the tools you're using. There's that as well. Releasing plugins is a great advertising for the whole company. A lot of people will only know of Audioscape because of these new plugins. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 26, 2024 13:35:37 GMT -6
This is a good demo and I'm kinda drawn in. I think the guy's nuts about the drive making the vocal better, but that's just taste (or lack there of) Was totally my take too. “Hey distorted vocals! That sounds great!” |
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Post by drumsound on Jun 26, 2024 13:47:38 GMT -6
This is a good demo and I'm kinda drawn in. I think the guy's nuts about the drive making the vocal better, but that's just taste (or lack there of) Was totally my take too. “Hey distorted vocals! That sounds great!” Really, on that sound in that track? |
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Post by Dan on Jun 26, 2024 13:47:41 GMT -6
Agree. But you’re also making larger profit-per-transaction with HW…but yeah, if you’re selling 50x as many plugs…you make that up. I guess the real question is how big is the subsect of people that were going to buy the Hw. Well, people are buying less hardwares because of plugins, that's a fact. But I don't think that owning a specific unit as plugin makes you not buy that as unit as hw. That might happen but the contrary might happen as well. For example, people won't feel the need to buy a Silver Bullet because they already have Decapitator, or Softube Overstayer MAS, not because they have LTL SB plugin. On other words, I don't think any company will lose money by selling plugins of their hws. I think they will lose money by not entering this game. I don't know how to feel about it, but it is what it is. I would never buy a real silver bullet. It’s too flexible. I use these things to hide fake stuff and crap. They replace other plugs to hide crap. I will buy the plugin next time it’s 30 bucks. I forgot to buy it last time. A is like different A on Decapitator. Different upwards push thing but different. Honestly the plugins sounds better than most API type things not on guitars. If the hardware is 10% better that’s cool 😎 So do the Oxford EQ Type 4 and McDSP Channel G type A and Softube American Class A and Waves API with analog off that let you get the function without the unwanted sound tbh. I even turn the distortion off in the psp avedis e27 sometimes. Unwanted sometimes but cool curves. |
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Post by tasteliketape on Jun 26, 2024 14:23:55 GMT -6
There is a loyalty discount if you own other Klive plugins .
In email this morning from Klive
Code: KiiveLoyalty
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Post by thehightenor on Jun 26, 2024 15:11:45 GMT -6
Having vey recently added a 16 way converter to my rig so I can return to hybrid channel mixing
I've been reminded just how much sonic excellence high end hardware adds to a mix, especially my tube/Transformer units
like the Retro STA Level and AS Opto compressor.
I think the selling point of AS is there reasonably priced boutique hardware!
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 26, 2024 15:26:07 GMT -6
Great, if you got the budget !  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 26, 2024 15:56:59 GMT -6
Was totally my take too. “Hey distorted vocals! That sounds great!” Really, on that sound in that track? That was an attempt at sarcasm |
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Post by drumsound on Jun 26, 2024 16:59:52 GMT -6
Really, on that sound in that track? That was an attempt at sarcasm Honestly, that's what I HOPED!!! |
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